gandalfe
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An informal poll on militarytimes.com said 89% of their respondents don't want this parade.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/02/08/89-of-readers-say-no-parade/
What type of candidate can beat Trump?
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Heathme
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I will reiterate, you guys make me grateful to be part of the 50% of this country that still loves America and doesn't get bitter and angry when the President of the United States does a Salute to America.
A freaking SALUTE TO AMERICA!
Now, I am hoping it is just a large troll job by President Trump to piss off those that hate the United States of America. It is obviously working.
A freaking SALUTE TO AMERICA!
Now, I am hoping it is just a large troll job by President Trump to piss off those that hate the United States of America. It is obviously working.
Safetydan
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Heathme
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So dumb. Don't even know how to respond.
Safetydan
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I don't know bro. I've read a lot of your posts. Seems kinda like you hate most of this place. *shrug*
Heathme
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Nope, you're incorrect. I love America.
Safetydan
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Just saying it doesn't really mean much. Super unconvincing. I love lamp. You know?
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Heathme
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If you don't feel some pride in your country, you're not doing it right
https://www.deseretnews.com/article...ight-july-4-independence-day-america-usa.html
https://www.deseretnews.com/article...ight-july-4-independence-day-america-usa.html
Safetydan
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Kind of a dick? Why so rude bro? I'll have you know that I am an American. You shouldn't hate me so hard. Cool memes tho. I've definitely never seen these before.
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But you think it's not great and needs to be made great again?
If Trump does a salute to America, I'll cheer, and be very, very surprised. How will you feel if Trump spends 2/3 of the speech talking about himself and his administration? Is that a Salute to America, to you?
DasJazz
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Depends on the context.
Hmmmm. I can tell the difference between Trump and America.
DasJazz
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Of course you can but what I meant was that if he touts administration accomplishments that have in turn helped America and therefore Americans, than I don't have any issues with that.
Prior Presidents didn't do that on national holidays. YMMV.
DasJazz
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That's not true but also isn't really the point I was making.
What is your point?
Red
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Yes, you are right. It is the politicization of the 4th of July. It is completely partisan. You see, to Trump, anybody who doesn't love Trump, does not love America. He is deliberately making anybody who does not appreciate him feel as if they do not belong.
And how partisan is it? The guy who ran as an opponent of elites has set up a VIP area at his event for Republican donors. Tickets were given to the Republican National Committee to distribute to Trump loyalists.
But it is not, as you claim, designed to piss off those who hate the United States. It's for those who do not love him, and he equates himself with the state.
Trump is an authoritarian nationalist. You can find many examples of such leaders. Like Putin. Like Kim. Like Trump. Like leaders from the 20th century. And like the people who supported those earlier leaders, you put your authoritarian above the country, just as Trump himself does. And you are too blind to see any of this.
Tickets for the VIP area were distributed only to the Republican National Committee, and the Trump Reelection Committee.
And you, you yourself, in your first comment above, talk about the "50% of the country that still loves America". YOU PROVE MY POINT: You are stating the belief that if one does not love Trump, one does not love America! You are a clown!
You actually have the balls to suggest if one does not support Trump, one hates the United States. Do you not see what you are saying? HOW DARE YOU, SIR? HOW DARE YOU? And I direct the same question to Trump. How dare he?
Get it? Of course you don't.
ON INDEPENDENCE DAY, ONLY TRUMP LOVERS ARE TREATED SPECIAL. Even on this day, of all days, he divides us. Love Trump, you are a true American. Don't love Trump. You don't love America. I would not expect his actual speech to be overtly partisan. But, that's not the point, as Greg Sargent points out:
https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2019/07/03/greg-sargent-trumps/
"The authoritarian nationalist leader typically rewrites the story of the nation in his own image. Our own homegrown authoritarian nationalist has proved particularly devoted to this fusion of national mythmaking and self-hagiography, often delivered in his own unique language of crass, gaudy spectacle.
The historians tell us that this is what authoritarian nationalists do. As Harvard's Jill Lepore puts it, they replace history with tried-and-true fictions - false tales of national decline at the hands of invented threats, melded to fictitious stories of renewed national greatness, engineered by the leader himself, who is both author of the fiction and its mythic hero.
This is what we will be seeing in one form or another on the Fourth of July, no matter what President Donald Trump says in his planned Independence Day speech from the Lincoln Memorial. The very act of taking over the proceedings in the manner he has cooked up itself accomplishes this feat."
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Red
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I was curious about Jill Lepore, and the essay referred to. Turned out to be the best analysis of how we came to this present moment I have read to date. It's long, posted for those who are looking at understanding these things in depth:
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/arti...02-05/new-americanism-nationalism-jill-lepore