When will Jefferson have breakout season?

[Deleted member 848]

17.6 > 17 last I checked.

And, I find it hard to believe that Millsap wouldn't have scored an additional 3.7 points per game if he were given an additional 4.6 field goal attempts per game (go ahead, read that gain).

The point of all this is that efficiency and team play matter in basketball. Anyone who looks at volume numbers alone when making judgments about NBA players, without considering usage and team play, isn't very bright.

Haha sorry buddy, i was 0.6 off. Well I think otherwise; I suppose there isn't really a great way for us to argue this, so we'll have to keep our eyes peeled for the coming seasons.

Sorry, when did I ever say that team play and efficiency doesn't matter? Considering usage? I just said that if Millsap was used more often, his percentages would change for the worse. You've seemed to concoct this notion that I simply look at stats and make a judgement on players based on that, and I have no idea why.

 

[Ben10]

17.6 > 17 last I checked.

And, I find it hard to believe that Millsap wouldn't have scored an additional 3.7 points per game if he were given an additional 4.6 field goal attempts per game (go ahead, read that gain).

The point of all this is that efficiency and team play matter in basketball. Anyone who looks at volume numbers alone when making judgments about NBA players, without considering usage and team play, isn't very bright.

I not disagreeing with you or your point. Just pointing out that your statement about Jefferson not doing that was not correct. The .6 extra what ever. It still says 17. And I consider 50% from the field as an efficient shooting percentage. I have no doubt that Millsap could match or do better than the #'s we are talking about here I have no argument with you there.

I also agree with you in that Jefferson has got to learn how to play the game from a team perspective better. And that may be something that he is never going to be able to do. Hard to change the way you been doing things (and been told to do them that way for every other team you have played for). And If he can't change that mentality then the Jazz may not be a good fit for him. (This was a concern from when the trade went down). But considering the all the injuries, Trade and Sloan leaving its hard for me to say that Jefferson is a lost cause. I still think given another year in a system that demands team work and passing, and that helping as a team on both sides of the court is essential to success, that he could come around to be a big part of our team.

 

[Zerol]

Can you name a few things that Big Al is better than Boozer?

(I am one of the boozer haters and i consider him extremely overrated)

Easy. Back to the basket scoring, man-to-man defense, help defense too (consider Boozer plays no defense), durability, attitude, ability to score against taller players, etc.

 

[Zerol]

Simple answer : defense

also you can look at many other things like he is 7-8 yrs younger who has a very good prospect in the league. I cant guarantee Kanter is gonna be one of the elite big man in the league but i can guarantee he will be better than AJ.

Also memo is turkish too but i am never so high on Memo. So you cant only explain with homerism. Maybe i can have more symphaty but thats it, im not gonna rate a player much more highly than he is no matter which ever nationality he has.

I am going to remember you saying that. Not that I don't hope that would happen cuz if it does happen, that means that Jazz hit a jackpot with that NJ pick, but to say that Kanter is going to be better than Al before he plays an NBA game against serious competition is just absurd.

I can give you that Kanter hustles on the defensive end but I didn't see his defense being superior to Al's, even considered the difference of competition they were facing. Plus, if Al has Asik behind him, he might all of a sudden become a better defender than what people think of him.

 

[GVC]

Just pointing out that your statement about Jefferson not doing that was not correct. The .6 extra what ever. It still says 17.

My statement was absolutely correct. And no, it doesn't say 17, it says 17.6.

Aggressive ignorance is still ignorance, my friend. 17.6 > 17. Jefferson has never scored 21+ points on 17- field goal attempts, as was implied by his original post. Had he said 21+ points on 18 field goal attempts, I wouldn't have said anything (besides noting that efficiency and team play matter in competitive team sports) because he would have been correct. You can't just arbitrarily choose when to round up or down if you want to be taken seriously.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Guys, let's look at the facts. Al is BIG. BIG AL IS SO BIG OKAY GUYS

 

[GVC]

It's true.

AJ is bigger than Paul Millsap. He also takes more shots than Millsap.

That's what the Jazz should be looking for: Guys who are big and take lots of shots. That's how you build a champion.

 

[NUMBERICA]

It's true.

AJ is bigger than Paul Millsap. He also takes more shots than Millsap.

That's what the Jazz should be looking for: Guys who are big and take lots of shots. That's how you build a champion.

But Shaq was big ok lol

 

[GVC]

Just to illustrate my point better:

Player 1 shoots 17.0 field goals per game, making 8.9 on average.

Player 2 shoots 17.9 field goals per game, making 8.0 on average.

By this stupid convention you've applied, both shoot 8 - 17 on average. We can just "whatever" the fact that Player 1's field goal percentage is .524 and Player 2's field goal percentage is .447. These differences are negligible, right?

 

[Deleted member 365]

When did I say you should only judge a player through statistics? I am not saying a players ability should be completely justified through stats, I just think its utterly idiotic to completely ignore them. Im not saying he's one of the best, in fact I think he's far from it (currently). However, looking at stats like those and deeming them "average" is quite stupid, in my opinion. TMAC was definitely never MVP calibre, but claiming that he wasnt an above-average scorer simply because of his negative attributes that don't appear on a scoresheet is foolish.

When all you did was use statistics to suggest that he wasn't average.

Sorry, but you're in the minority here. Most people have seen enough of Big Al to see what he truly is. An average big man who can score in bunches (especially against stupid super aggressive bigs who will fall for his cheap fakes), but never be depended on as an offensive player. A shotblocker who rotates slowly, isn't athletic enough to hedge, and is relatively soft. Sure, he might block a shot or two due his his height. But never a defensive stopper.

Again, he's good. Not great. Not bad. Just good.

It's not an insult. It's just reality.

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

When all you did was use statistics to suggest that he wasn't average.

Sorry, but you're in the minority here. Most people have seen enough of Big Al to see what he truly is. An average big man who can score in bunches (especially against stupid super aggressive bigs who will fall for his cheap fakes), but never be depended on as an offensive player. A shotblocker who rotates slowly, isn't athletic enough to hedge, and is relatively soft. Sure, he might block a shot or two due his his height. But never a defensive stopper.

Again, he's good. Not great. Not bad. Just good.

It's not an insult. It's just reality.

See now you used "good" I think if you'd used good instead of average nobody would have questioned that and I think most everybody would say good is better than average.

 

[Deleted member 848]

My statement was absolutely correct. And no, it doesn't say 17, it says 17.6.

Aggressive ignorance is still ignorance, my friend. 17.6 > 17. Jefferson has never scored 21+ points on 17- field goal attempts, as was implied by his original post. Had he said 21+ points on 18 field goal attempts, I wouldn't have said anything (besides noting that efficiency and team play matter in competitive team sports) because he would have been correct. You can't just arbitrarily choose when to round up or down if you want to be taken seriously.

Lol. So instead of taking what I have to say in a general sense and responding normally, you're just gonna teach me how to round properly?

As a poster you have always been one of my favourites, since you tend to show no bias in your solid assessments of whatever the discussion is about. Not sure what your deal is, here. A respectable poster would have just pointed out "hey, 17.6 is .11 (lol) closer to 18 than 17, hence you must round up" and then gone on to further make whatever rebuttal they had in mind. Instead, you just sidetrack yourself and spend three posts talking about me baaarely fibbing one stat (which still serves my point regardless) and make yourself seem like an asshat in the process.