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Where would Jimmer go in a non-weak draft?

Probably around where Dan Dickau went.

Just kiddding - but not really.

Actually I look at it this way - I'm quite convinced Fredette will be a better player than Ronnie Brewer, Kris Humpheries and Kirk Snyder - three late lottery picks by Utah. So I have no reservations about picking him at 12 in a "weak" draft.
 
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NCJazz said:
Still go in the teens. Keep in mind Sacramento is thinking about him at 7 (if Knight and Walker are gone). Only takes one team to really like him to go in the teens even if the rest arent even considering him. Holds true in a better draft.
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I dub this the Juan Dixon corollary.
 
Sirkickyass said:
So if he's in the 10-20 range now are you saying that the weakness of this draft is worth approximately five slots?

Put another way, in your view would our 2009 knowledge of Psycho T justify a #8 pick in the 2011 draft?
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Ummm. Let's see:

2009- 2011
1- Griffin - Irving
2- Thabeet - Williams
3- Harden - Knight
4- Evans - Kantor
5- Rubio - Vesley
6- Flynn - Walker
7- Curry - Leonard
8- Hill - Valanciunas
9- DeRosan - Biyombo
10- Jennings - Burks
11- Williams - Thompson
12- Henderson - Morris
13- Hansborough - Singleton
14- Clark - Hamilton
15- Daye - Jimmer
16- Johnson - Motiejunas
17- Holliday - Thompson
18- Lawson - Morris
19- Teague - Harris
20- Maynor - Faried

I would say the only player 8-13 that might get drafted higher this year then Psycho T would be Burks. So, I would say yes. In this year's draft there is a fantastic chance T goes top 8. I would be shocked it T fell past 9 or 10 in this year's draft.

Now, where would Jimmer go in 2009? We know in 2010 Jimmer couldn't get a commit from any team and there is a great chance that last year he was a second round pick. What did Jimmer do from this year to last? Other than confirm he is a good shooter, he didn't show anything new to scouts. He didn't defend better, be a better passer, more rebounds, etc. So, you know what Jimmer is going to be in all likely hood: Eddie House.

Here is 2009 again and if Jimmer would be picked instead:

1- Griffin - No
2- Thabeet - No
3- Harden - No
4- Evans - No
5- Rubio - No
6- Flynn - No
7- Curry - No
8- Hill - No
9- DeRosan - No
10- Jennings - No
11- Williams - No
12- Henderson - No
13- Hansborough - No
14- Clark - No
15- Daye - No
16- Johnson - No
17- Holliday - No
18- Lawson - No
19- Teague - No
20- Maynor - Maybe - basically because it is Utah
21- Collison - No
22- From here, I can't remember enough about any of these guys to say. So, I guess, in my opinion, the weaker draft really helps Jimmer out. The last two years Jimmer may not even be a first round pick. I still wouldn't be surprised if Jimmer falls fast in this draft is the Jazz do not take him. I will say that the weakness of this draft is worth around 5 slots (which ironically, is about how many players pulled out of this draft). I would also say that the extremely high amount of publicity Jimmer received has boosted his stock for the moment. He has gone from maybe a late first rounder to second round pick to a lottery pick. It is the perfect storm for Jimmer this year.
 
green said:
Ummm. Let's see:

2009- 2011
1- Griffin - Irving
2- Thabeet - Williams
3- Harden - Knight
4- Evans - Kantor
5- Rubio - Vesley
6- Flynn - Walker
7- Curry - Leonard
8- Hill - Valanciunas
9- DeRosan - Biyombo
10- Jennings - Burks
11- Williams - Thompson
12- Henderson - Morris
13- Hansborough - Singleton
14- Clark - Hamilton
15- Daye - Jimmer
16- Johnson - Motiejunas
17- Holliday - Thompson
18- Lawson - Morris
19- Teague - Harris
20- Maynor - Faried

I would say the only player 8-13 that might get drafted higher this year then Psycho T would be Burks. So, I would say yes. In this year's draft there is a fantastic chance T goes top 8. I would be shocked it T fell past 9 or 10 in this year's draft.

Now, where would Jimmer go in 2009? We know in 2010 Jimmer couldn't get a commit from any team and there is a great chance that last year he was a second round pick. What did Jimmer do from this year to last? Other than confirm he is a good shooter, he didn't show anything new to scouts. He didn't defend better, be a better passer, more rebounds, etc. So, you know what Jimmer is going to be in all likely hood: Eddie House.

Here is 2009 again and if Jimmer would be picked instead:

1- Griffin - No
2- Thabeet - No
3- Harden - No
4- Evans - No
5- Rubio - No
6- Flynn - No
7- Curry - No
8- Hill - No
9- DeRosan - No
10- Jennings - No
11- Williams - No
12- Henderson - No
13- Hansborough - No
14- Clark - No
15- Daye - No
16- Johnson - No
17- Holliday - No
18- Lawson - No
19- Teague - No
20- Maynor - Maybe - basically because it is Utah
21- Collison - No
22- From here, I can't remember enough about any of these guys to say. So, I guess, in my opinion, the weaker draft really helps Jimmer out. The last two years Jimmer may not even be a first round pick. I still wouldn't be surprised if Jimmer falls fast in this draft is the Jazz do not take him. I will say that the weakness of this draft is worth around 5 slots (which ironically, is about how many players pulled out of this draft). I would also say that the extremely high amount of publicity Jimmer received has boosted his stock for the moment. He has gone from maybe a late first rounder to second round pick to a lottery pick. It is the perfect storm for Jimmer this year.
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Betting Jimmer has a better career than a lot of those Nos you have listed.
 
Is this draft really that weak? It feels more like this year just doesn't have any franchise players like Durant, Griffin, Lebron, etc.
 
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