Will there be a season next year?

[colton]

I had read from multiple sources that yesterday's meeting between owners and players would be the defining meeting in determining whether or not there would be a season next year. So how did it go?

https://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogsjazznotes/52049159-62/meeting-nba-silver-stern.html.csp

Very interesting interview. It's good that the players said, "We'll think about it," and scheduled another meeting rather than rejecting the proposal outright.

One particularly interesting thing is what Stern is calling a "flex cap" seems like a hard cap to me. That is, it sounded exactly like the present system--a salary cap with exceptions--but with a hard cap in place of the luxury tax barrier. The players will almost certainly consider that to be a hard cap, and it's tough to see them going for it.

Another interesting thing is the owners' guarantee that the players (as a whole) will continue to make at least as much as they did this past year. Maybe that, combined with the owners' concession of keeping the guaranteed contracts, will be enough to get the players to accept the "flex cap".

Keep your fingers crossed for Friday's follow-up meeting.

 

[Chad Feldheimer]

I am betting that part of the season is missed like the 50 game season about 12 years ago. Both sides start watching a season die right in front of them they will make a deal.

 

[mellow]

Colton you are more generous to the players than I would be. I don't like that a few players and thier lap dogs are controlling the discusions at the expense of the majority of players, the fans, and tax-payers subsidizing the NBA through arena funding. But this is the beast that Stern created thirty years ago when he decided to market the stars and bend the game around them. Sterns approach increased the popularity of the sport, but this is the price he has to pay. Sadly, the players will win this CBA just like they won the last two, and World Wide Wes and a few sports agents will increase thier control of the league by putting more of thier players where they decide. The result will be 10 super franchises and 22 Washington Generals, or a return to the NBA and ABA.

 

[UB]

not if we don't draft Jimmar.

 

[vslice02]

I'm pretty sure the season won't start on time. Probably not as late as February (like in '99) but also probably not until Dec, maybe Jan when the PA begins to grow desperate. Sounds like the owners are willing to concede gauranteed contracts to the PA, doubt they'll bend on a hard cap though.

 

[Archie Moses]

After listening to Derek Fisher and his tone of voice, no, there will not be a season next year. Stern doesn't seem to notice though.

 

[carolinajazz]

Will there be a season next year? I certainly hope not! The NBA is in the most need of a salary transformation than any other sport. Paying these hip hop clowns that much guaranteed money for that long is, well, in the words of a most famous hip hopper.....LUDICROUS!!!

 

[mellow]

Owners are going to cave, because they know the players can ultimatley start thier own league. The current structure makes the owners a third, and unnessesary wheel. If they started thier own league, the players would lose the teams names, and history of the NBA but does anyone really believe the players care about that compared to making more money?

Capital? Shaq earned more than $250 Million from salary alone during his career, Christian Latner earned more than 80 million. Players (recent past and current) have capital, so do sports agencies with 20-30 players. It would not take much to start a new league. They might have to rent arenas from colleges at first while the NBA owners are stuck paying rent in empty buildings.

The players and thier agents (mostly the agents) would control everything, just the way they want, and the way the 'sport' has been gravitating for the past 15 years.

 

[candrew]

I don't know about starting their own league - you already have plenty of other leagues in Europe where they can enjoy the favorable exchange rate for the Euro and no start-up expenses.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

Will there be a season next year? I certainly hope not! The NBA is in the most need of a salary transformation than any other sport. Paying these hip hop clowns that much guaranteed money for that long is, well, in the words of a most famous hip hopper.....LUDICROUS!!!

Yeah, yeah we get it, you don't like hip- hoppers. This one note song is getting old and still has the stench of racism. The glory days when white men played basketball "the old school way" are over. Get used to it, things change, and they're unlikely to go back to the "good old days."

As a general question, am I the only one who finds false nostalgia incredibly irritating?

 

[The Thriller]

Does the CBA also address the issue of flopping?

I'm so tired of jokes like Fisher flopping on every single play!

 

[margodydek]

Owners are going to cave, because they know the players can ultimatley start thier own league. The current structure makes the owners a third, and unnessesary wheel. If they started thier own league, the players would lose the teams names, and history of the NBA but does anyone really believe the players care about that compared to making more money?

Capital? Shaq earned more than $250 Million from salary alone during his career, Christian Latner earned more than 80 million. Players (recent past and current) have capital, so do sports agencies with 20-30 players. It would not take much to start a new league. They might have to rent arenas from colleges at first while the NBA owners are stuck paying rent in empty buildings.

The players and thier agents (mostly the agents) would control everything, just the way they want, and the way the 'sport' has been gravitating for the past 15 years.

This is probably the stupidest post I've seen on here. Shaq may have earned $250MM, but he's probably spent $242MM. If there is a lockout I bet 80% of the players are going to be in a pinch after about 6 months. The owners have all the control. If the players don't agree to the terms before July 1st, then the owners are going to go for the jugular and the players will regret not coming to an agreement earlier.

 

[kwb]

The only ones that will suffer from this are the fans. These players need to realize it's the fans that help them get paid. They don't care. The league is a joke and has been for years.

 

[AlaskanAssassin]

This is probably the stupidest post I've seen on here. Shaq may have earned $250MM, but he's probably spent $242MM. If there is a lockout I bet 80% of the players are going to be in a pinch after about 6 months. The owners have all the control. If the players don't agree to the terms before July 1st, then the owners are going to go for the jugular and the players will regret not coming to an agreement earlier.

Exactly what I was thinking. Once players have to cut back on their style of living, they will quickly cave. The NBA's revenue system is so broken it's a joke. When most small market teams are losing money just to stay moderately competitive, things need to change. I think the players want the system to be more like baseball. Let's have the Knicks and Lakers play in every NBA finals!

 

[mellow]

This is probably the stupidest post I've seen on here. So where do you propose that the players are going to play their games? Shaq may have earned $250MM, but he's probably spent $242MM. If there is a lockout I bet 80% of the players are going to be in a pinch after about 6 months. The owners have all the control. If the players don't agree to the terms before July 1st, then the owners are going to go for the jugular and the players will regret not coming to an agreement earlier.

Wow Margo, but you'd better rethink that. The owners have a pile of leases, and an established organization for putting on games but what else? If they 'all the control' why did they lose the last two lock-out battles and why haven't they just locked out the players now, why make any concesions? They owners keep negotiating and making concessions because they know the NBA is nothing without the best players--don't believe it look at the D-league.

If the players are locked out or the players file for disbanding their union their will be no contracts to keep the players tied to an NBA team. They could go play in europe for money, or they could play in the US for money. If they play in the US the players don't need to pay $400 Million for an NBA franchise, all they need is enough $$$ to buy a few jerseys, rent a college arena and advertise a game. They could have all-star game like rosters made of the best players because there are no contracts. Who wouldn't pay to watch Lebron, Wade, Dwight Howard and Deron Williams go up against Rose, Pierce, Garnett, Bynum, Durrant. Would you like to see Chris Paul teamed with Carmelo and Stoudermire? --now you can. So maybe espn and ABC can't broadcast that game, but I bet FOX, CBS, NBC would pay a little for the broadcast rights. The players might not make as much at first but ultimatley they could stand to make much more because they would be the owners.

You are right about one thing 80% of the players could be in a pinch. But Lebron James and Chris Paul don't care if Ronnie Price or Luke Ridinour have house payments to make. The stars are controlling the labor negotiations from the players side and will do whats good for the stars.

 

[margodydek]

Wow Margo, but you'd better rethink that. The owners have a pile of leases, and an established organization for putting on games but what else? If they 'all the control' why did they lose the last two lock-out battles and why haven't they just locked out the players now, why make any concesions? They owners keep negotiating and making concessions because they know the NBA is nothing without the best players--don't believe it look at the D-league.

If the players are locked out or the players file for disbanding their union their will be no contracts to keep the players tied to an NBA team. They could go play in europe for money, or they could play in the US for money. If they play in the US the players don't need to pay $400 Million for an NBA franchise, all they need is enough $$$ to buy a few jerseys, rent a college arena and advertise a game. They could have all-star game like rosters made of the best players because there are no contracts. Who wouldn't pay to watch Lebron, Wade, Dwight Howard and Deron Williams go up against Rose, Pierce, Garnett, Bynum, Durrant. Would you like to see Chris Paul teamed with Carmelo and Stoudermire? --now you can. So maybe espn and ABC can't broadcast that game, but I bet FOX, CBS, NBC would pay a little for the broadcast rights. The players might not make as much at first but ultimatley they could stand to make much more because they would be the owners.

I retract my previous comment. ^^^This is now the stupidest post I've ever seen on here.

 

[MattMan]

Owners are going to cave, because they know the players can ultimatley start thier own league.

When Fischer Price raises their price on toys, toddlers will start their own company. Has about the same amount of chance of happening.

 

[Dr. Jones]

When Fischer Price raises their price on toys, toddlers will start their own company. Has about the same amount of chance of happening.

Really? One word ...





























Globetrotters.

 

[moevillini]

...If there is a lockout I bet 80% of the players are going to be in a pinch after about 6 months. The owners have all the control. If the players don't agree to the terms before July 1st, then the owners are going to go for the jugular and the players will regret not coming to an agreement earlier.

can't find a link now, but I read something a while back that mentioned most players under contract with the current CBA will receive paychecks thru October 2011, so the real financial impact of any lock-out wouldn't really hit them until then

somewhat related, there are a number of articles on how the NFL lock-out is impacting those players, particularly newly drafted rookies who don't have any contract and have taken out loans
https://www.minyanville.com/dailyfeed/2011/06/08/austerity-bites-nfl-players-as/

 

[jazzrule]

Wow Margo, but you'd better rethink that. The owners have a pile of leases, and an established organization for putting on games but what else? If they 'all the control' why did they lose the last two lock-out battles and why haven't they just locked out the players now, why make any concesions? They owners keep negotiating and making concessions because they know the NBA is nothing without the best players--don't believe it look at the D-league.

If the players are locked out or the players file for disbanding their union their will be no contracts to keep the players tied to an NBA team. They could go play in europe for money, or they could play in the US for money. If they play in the US the players don't need to pay $400 Million for an NBA franchise, all they need is enough $$$ to buy a few jerseys, rent a college arena and advertise a game. They could have all-star game like rosters made of the best players because there are no contracts. Who wouldn't pay to watch Lebron, Wade, Dwight Howard and Deron Williams go up against Rose, Pierce, Garnett, Bynum, Durrant. Would you like to see Chris Paul teamed with Carmelo and Stoudermire? --now you can. So maybe espn and ABC can't broadcast that game, but I bet FOX, CBS, NBC would pay a little for the broadcast rights. The players might not make as much at first but ultimatley they could stand to make much more because they would be the owners.

You are right about one thing 80% of the players could be in a pinch. But Lebron James and Chris Paul don't care if Ronnie Price or Luke Ridinour have house payments to make. The stars are controlling the labor negotiations from the players side and will do whats good for the stars.

So you really think the majority of the fans want to see several all-star like teams playing for the big markets and winning all the championships, with no hope of seeing their teams compete for a championship? That is what is wrong with the NBA now and why many fans have quit watching the NBA on TV and attending games.

The only way LeBron and company had such high TV ratings in the finals is because most of the NBA fan base was rooting for the Heat to lose. Most of us were not watching to see the great super-star loaded team play, that I can assure you of.