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Will there be a season next year?

The only ones that will suffer from this are the fans. These players need to realize it's the fans that help them get paid. They don't care. The league is a joke and has been for years.
 
margodydek said:
This is probably the stupidest post I've seen on here. Shaq may have earned $250MM, but he's probably spent $242MM. If there is a lockout I bet 80% of the players are going to be in a pinch after about 6 months. The owners have all the control. If the players don't agree to the terms before July 1st, then the owners are going to go for the jugular and the players will regret not coming to an agreement earlier.
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Exactly what I was thinking. Once players have to cut back on their style of living, they will quickly cave. The NBA's revenue system is so broken it's a joke. When most small market teams are losing money just to stay moderately competitive, things need to change. I think the players want the system to be more like baseball. Let's have the Knicks and Lakers play in every NBA finals!
 
margodydek said:
This is probably the stupidest post I've seen on here. So where do you propose that the players are going to play their games? Shaq may have earned $250MM, but he's probably spent $242MM. If there is a lockout I bet 80% of the players are going to be in a pinch after about 6 months. The owners have all the control. If the players don't agree to the terms before July 1st, then the owners are going to go for the jugular and the players will regret not coming to an agreement earlier.
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Wow Margo, but you'd better rethink that. The owners have a pile of leases, and an established organization for putting on games but what else? If they 'all the control' why did they lose the last two lock-out battles and why haven't they just locked out the players now, why make any concesions? They owners keep negotiating and making concessions because they know the NBA is nothing without the best players--don't believe it look at the D-league.

If the players are locked out or the players file for disbanding their union their will be no contracts to keep the players tied to an NBA team. They could go play in europe for money, or they could play in the US for money. If they play in the US the players don't need to pay $400 Million for an NBA franchise, all they need is enough $$$ to buy a few jerseys, rent a college arena and advertise a game. They could have all-star game like rosters made of the best players because there are no contracts. Who wouldn't pay to watch Lebron, Wade, Dwight Howard and Deron Williams go up against Rose, Pierce, Garnett, Bynum, Durrant. Would you like to see Chris Paul teamed with Carmelo and Stoudermire? --now you can. So maybe espn and ABC can't broadcast that game, but I bet FOX, CBS, NBC would pay a little for the broadcast rights. The players might not make as much at first but ultimatley they could stand to make much more because they would be the owners.

You are right about one thing 80% of the players could be in a pinch. But Lebron James and Chris Paul don't care if Ronnie Price or Luke Ridinour have house payments to make. The stars are controlling the labor negotiations from the players side and will do whats good for the stars.
 
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mellow said:
Wow Margo, but you'd better rethink that. The owners have a pile of leases, and an established organization for putting on games but what else? If they 'all the control' why did they lose the last two lock-out battles and why haven't they just locked out the players now, why make any concesions? They owners keep negotiating and making concessions because they know the NBA is nothing without the best players--don't believe it look at the D-league.

If the players are locked out or the players file for disbanding their union their will be no contracts to keep the players tied to an NBA team. They could go play in europe for money, or they could play in the US for money. If they play in the US the players don't need to pay $400 Million for an NBA franchise, all they need is enough $$$ to buy a few jerseys, rent a college arena and advertise a game. They could have all-star game like rosters made of the best players because there are no contracts. Who wouldn't pay to watch Lebron, Wade, Dwight Howard and Deron Williams go up against Rose, Pierce, Garnett, Bynum, Durrant. Would you like to see Chris Paul teamed with Carmelo and Stoudermire? --now you can. So maybe espn and ABC can't broadcast that game, but I bet FOX, CBS, NBC would pay a little for the broadcast rights. The players might not make as much at first but ultimatley they could stand to make much more because they would be the owners.
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I retract my previous comment. ^^^This is now the stupidest post I've ever seen on here.
 
mellow said:
Owners are going to cave, because they know the players can ultimatley start thier own league.
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When Fischer Price raises their price on toys, toddlers will start their own company. Has about the same amount of chance of happening.
 
margodydek said:
...If there is a lockout I bet 80% of the players are going to be in a pinch after about 6 months. The owners have all the control. If the players don't agree to the terms before July 1st, then the owners are going to go for the jugular and the players will regret not coming to an agreement earlier.
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can't find a link now, but I read something a while back that mentioned most players under contract with the current CBA will receive paychecks thru October 2011, so the real financial impact of any lock-out wouldn't really hit them until then

somewhat related, there are a number of articles on how the NFL lock-out is impacting those players, particularly newly drafted rookies who don't have any contract and have taken out loans
https://www.minyanville.com/dailyfeed/2011/06/08/austerity-bites-nfl-players-as/
 
mellow said:
Wow Margo, but you'd better rethink that. The owners have a pile of leases, and an established organization for putting on games but what else? If they 'all the control' why did they lose the last two lock-out battles and why haven't they just locked out the players now, why make any concesions? They owners keep negotiating and making concessions because they know the NBA is nothing without the best players--don't believe it look at the D-league.

If the players are locked out or the players file for disbanding their union their will be no contracts to keep the players tied to an NBA team. They could go play in europe for money, or they could play in the US for money. If they play in the US the players don't need to pay $400 Million for an NBA franchise, all they need is enough $$$ to buy a few jerseys, rent a college arena and advertise a game. They could have all-star game like rosters made of the best players because there are no contracts. Who wouldn't pay to watch Lebron, Wade, Dwight Howard and Deron Williams go up against Rose, Pierce, Garnett, Bynum, Durrant. Would you like to see Chris Paul teamed with Carmelo and Stoudermire? --now you can. So maybe espn and ABC can't broadcast that game, but I bet FOX, CBS, NBC would pay a little for the broadcast rights. The players might not make as much at first but ultimatley they could stand to make much more because they would be the owners.

You are right about one thing 80% of the players could be in a pinch. But Lebron James and Chris Paul don't care if Ronnie Price or Luke Ridinour have house payments to make. The stars are controlling the labor negotiations from the players side and will do whats good for the stars.
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So you really think the majority of the fans want to see several all-star like teams playing for the big markets and winning all the championships, with no hope of seeing their teams compete for a championship? That is what is wrong with the NBA now and why many fans have quit watching the NBA on TV and attending games.

The only way LeBron and company had such high TV ratings in the finals is because most of the NBA fan base was rooting for the Heat to lose. Most of us were not watching to see the great super-star loaded team play, that I can assure you of.
 
margodydek said:
This is probably the stupidest post I've seen on here. Shaq may have earned $250MM, but he's probably spent $242MM. If there is a lockout I bet 80% of the players are going to be in a pinch after about 6 months. The owners have all the control. If the players don't agree to the terms before July 1st, then the owners are going to go for the jugular and the players will regret not coming to an agreement earlier.
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...EXACTLY! And you, my man....should get post of the year on this one!
 
mellow said:
Wow Margo, but you'd better rethink that. The owners have a pile of leases, and an established organization for putting on games but what else? If they 'all the control' why did they lose the last two lock-out battles and why haven't they just locked out the players now, why make any concesions? They owners keep negotiating and making concessions because they know the NBA is nothing without the best players--don't believe it look at the D-league.

If the players are locked out or the players file for disbanding their union their will be no contracts to keep the players tied to an NBA team. They could go play in europe for money, or they could play in the US for money. If they play in the US the players don't need to pay $400 Million for an NBA franchise, all they need is enough $$$ to buy a few jerseys, rent a college arena and advertise a game. They could have all-star game like rosters made of the best players because there are no contracts. Who wouldn't pay to watch Lebron, Wade, Dwight Howard and Deron Williams go up against Rose, Pierce, Garnett, Bynum, Durrant. Would you like to see Chris Paul teamed with Carmelo and Stoudermire? --now you can. So maybe espn and ABC can't broadcast that game, but I bet FOX, CBS, NBC would pay a little for the broadcast rights. The players might not make as much at first but ultimatley they could stand to make much more because they would be the owners.

You are right about one thing 80% of the players could be in a pinch. But Lebron James and Chris Paul don't care if Ronnie Price or Luke Ridinour have house payments to make. The stars are controlling the labor negotiations from the players side and will do whats good for the stars.
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This is getting ridiculous. I usually enjoy reading your posts Mellow, but I am in agreement with margodydek, this goes down as worst post of the year.

First off you are saying that Owners have a pile of leases and nothing else. Guess what.....they all earned millions upon millions of dollars doing something else. Do you really think Larry Miller doesn't have other sources of income outside of the Jazz? Same goes for just about every owner in the league. While I'm sure a lot of players have investments, very few have large outside sources of income to sustain their lifestyle long-term. The players will break financially long before the owners even sweat.

Do you really think that the only costs associated with running a basketball league are jerseys, renting an arena, and advertising? How did you make it past the 3rd grade? Guess how much money (revenue) the NBA brought in in 2010? $3.5 billion. And guess what, the league LOST money. That means that to run a 30 team league it costs close to 4 billion dollars. Now to make this simple, let's say your SUPER league has 6 teams comprised of all the best players. 20% of 4 billion dollars is $800 million dollars. Let's pretend that your super league has 10 players on each team.
Do you think that each player is going to throw down over $13 million dollars each to finance just the FIRST YEAR of your super league?
 
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