Will there be American invasion in Syria?

[Deleted member 365]

"Forced"? Are there any hard or soft power in the world that can force USA to an action or doing a thing without their consent? You're talking like USA is the aggrieved side.

Israel.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Many of the other countries in the region have voiced concern over the WMDs. I have no doubt that Turkey and Iraq don't like WMDs being used in their backyard. These countries can support a UN/US led resolution. They cannot support an Israel led resolution.

We are essentially doing their dirty work for them.

And are we forced to do anything? Yes and no. But that's complicated and I want to go to sleep.

 

[candrew]

Seriously...if the dollar is no longer the standard our economy fails like never before. It will be chaos. This is why Obama wants war, to protect the economy. Losing International reserve currency status is end game folks. I'm not for war, but this is a mess.

And for only $100 bucks of your hard earned cash, Porter Stansberry will gladly send you tips on being prepared for this coming crisis.

Innovations in extracting and processing natural gas deposits will make this country an international powerhouse like never before within the next 15-20 years. It's akin to a millionaire winning Power Ball. While I think this country will have major internal problems within the next half century, it's not going to lose it's standing in the international community any time soon.

 

[Stoked]

Lol. The length of those posts now confirms my suspicion: Paranoia is alive and well. And proves my point. Russia and China working for some conspiracy to take down the USA makes for some great action movie. But nothing could be further from reality.

Lets face it. We are afraid of this civil war over spilling into chemical warfare in a country we care about. Turkey. Iraq. Israel. And bombing some **** over there might just knock some sense into Assad to mind his Ps and Qs and not use WMDs. Have your civil war, sure, whatever. But chems chems are no bueno. Use machetes instead! We didn't give a damn when these weapons were used in Rwanda!

Based on what? Not saying I believe Vermin but at least he is basing his arguement off history. He laid out a very detailed arguement and you think you win by labeling him as paranoid and saying no way?

 

[Stoked]

And for only $100 bucks of your hard earned cash, Porter Stansberry will gladly send you tips on being prepared for this coming crisis.

Innovations in extracting and processing natural gas deposits will make this country an international powerhouse like never before within the next 15-20 years. It's akin to a millionaire winning Power Ball. While I think this country will have major internal problems within the next half century, it's not going to lose it's standing in the international community any time soon.

To me that depends on what criteria you are using to judge our standing with the international community. I think the gap has dramatically narrowed in soft power. The US is not seen as trustworthy and that their are viable alternatives now.

Edit: https://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/11/...an-chemical-arsenal.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&

France is taking a propasal to the UN Secuirty Council that requires Syria to hand over and dismantle its chemical weapons.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-fight-syria-commute-death-sentences/1852629/

Saudi Arabia was sending death row inmates to fight in Syria in return for commuting their sentance. That is so wrong...

 

[One Brow]

Other counties don't buy a hammer because we always bring ours.

Yup.

 

[Harambe]

Based on what? Not saying I believe Vermin but at least he is basing his arguement off history. He laid out a very detailed arguement and you think you win by labeling him as paranoid and saying no way?

Vermin's telling a story of what has been and molding it into what could be. I guess, theoretically, it could be true. But it's circumstantial evidence. Unlike the last war for oil in the name of WMD's, we know chemical weapons are present; we just don't know who used them yet. The evidence is pointing at Assad, but his regime being amicable to handing over their chemical weapons is an obstruction.. a way to buy time.

Whether he's buying time to prove it's the rebels using chemical weapons, or he's buying time to crush those rebels I have no idea. We'll never know until we get in there alike how an orthopedic surgeon never really knows the extent of the damage to a knee, so s/he has a prosthetic knee handy, but attempts to just shave bone, or remove scar tissue. So the next question we have to ask is the same question you would ask yourself when your knee is hurting you but there's a chance you could come out of it without the need for surgery.

 

[Stoked]

Vermin's telling a story of what has been and molding it into what could be. I guess, theoretically, it could be true. But it's circumstantial evidence. Unlike the last war for oil in the name of WMD's, we know chemical weapons are present; we just don't know who used them yet. The evidence is pointing at Assad, but his regime being amicable to handing over their chemical weapons is an obstruction.. a way to buy time.

Whether he's buying time to prove it's the rebels using chemical weapons, or he's buying time to crush those rebels I have no idea. We'll never know until we get in there alike how an orthopedic surgeon never really knows the extent of the damage to a knee, so s/he has a prosthetic knee handy, but attempts to just shave bone, or remove scar tissue. So the next question we have to ask is the same question you would ask yourself when your knee is hurting you but there's a chance you could come out of it without the need for surgery.

Fair enough. But that is much more convincing than "no way, you're paranoid".

 

[♪alt13]

How does a war in Syria do anything to prevent Russia and China from creating a new currency?

And our economy failing is the last thing that China wants. Duh. Our economy failing basically means that everyone's economy fails, especially China's. I swear, I hear every single week how China wants to kick our ***. I think this is a leftover from the mentality from the previous century. Cuz commies are all out to get us! Thee last thing China wants is for our economy to go into the toilet. They keep loaning us money because with that money we are fueling their economy. It's called macroeconomics people. Study it.

That whole Marxism taking over the planet and Khrushchev, "We Will Bury You" was so 50 years ago. What do any of these countries gain by hurting us and sinking their own economies? The Cold War is over. The sooner we learn this, the better. That whole invading for living space thing? So 1930s. Every country on earth (but us) has realized that occupation and nation building sucks. The sooner we stop doing this and focus on our own welfare, economy, and education, the better.

I think we are digging too deep into coming up with these motives for a US led war. In reality, the motives are probably a lot more simple. It's probably something stupid like Israel is afraid that this civil war could spread into its borders. Or into Iraq, our newest creation. By blowing some **** up in Syria hopefully Assad calms down (cuz thee last thing we want is for him to be killed or step down).

It's something simple like that. Not some mass conspiracy involving the reds, stalin's ghost, and the world wide conspiracy of China and Russia teaming up to destroy the Great Satan, the USA. Because... Well... Because commies are out to get us.

China and Russia want to be able to sell oil and natural gas to Europe in their currency virtually without competition from the Dollar. Syria blocked a Saudi (dollar)oil pipeline from getting to Europe while at the same time giving the go ahead for an Iranian(non-dollar) oil pipeline to get to Europe.

If Europe has to buy Natural Gas in Rubles and Oil in Yuan they will have to dump US dollars on the market in order to pick up Yuan and Rubles.

This is why we invaded Iraq they tried to sell oil in Euros. So we sent the OPEC nations a message you sell oil in Dollars or we will destroy you.

There is no bigger game in the world than this. Currency/Energy

 

[Harambe]

China and Russia want to be able to sell oil and natural gas to Europe in their currency virtually without competition from the Dollar. Syria blocked a Saudi (dollar)oil pipeline from getting to Europe while at the same time giving the go ahead for an Iranian(non-dollar) oil pipeline to get to Europe.

If Europe has to buy Natural Gas in Rubles and Oil in Yuan they will have to dump US dollars on the market in order to pick up Yuan and Rubles.

This is why we invaded Iraq they tried to sell oil in Euros. So we sent the OPEC nations a message you sell oil in Dollars or we will destroy you.

There is no bigger game in the world than this. Currency/Energy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KraNwTSC9Vs

4.4% of the people in America suffer from this disorder. It's not all that surprising we have more than average here I guess.

 

[franklin]

Seriously...if the dollar is no longer the standard our economy fails like never before. It will be chaos. This is why Obama wants war, to protect the economy. Losing International reserve currency status is end game folks. I'm not for war, but this is a mess.

How exactly is other countries spending our currency back into our economy, creating jobs, turning trade deficits into surpluses, and filling the Treasury with revenue a bad thing?

Also, what country is going to replace the USD as the new reserve currency? Putin's ranting in 2008 was as laughable as it gets, trying to get China and Brazil to swap a meager $25 billion in currency because that's all the Russians could afford. As if that would mean a damn thing in a world of floating currencies anyway.

Losing reserve status wouldn't be any more than a tiny blip in inflation to go along with huge pay raises due to the new demand for our products. I'm very scared.

 

[Stoked]

https://thehill.com/blogs/global-af...ia-plan-wont-work-unless-us-renounces-strikes

Russia will only work out a deal with Syria on their chemical weapons as long as the "west" renounces military strikes on Syria. Also Russia will not support a French resolution at the Security Council on Syria turning over its chemical weapons to the international community.

Looks like Russia is only concerned with covering for Syria and doesnt really care about the chemical weapons. They want their cake and eat it too.