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Will You Accept the Findings of the Muller Probe?

Will You Accept the Findings of the Muller Probe?


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Including the fact that he was more crooked than most of the Washington politicians before he was elected, and it has only gotten worse since?



In the since he has not destroyed it when it took off after 8 years of Obama, at any rate. Although, Presidents usually get too much credit/blame for the economy.



Perhaps you think propaganda has no effect on you. It does, as long as you are human.

Maybe Im not human, or I am the only person propaganda doesnt work on. Sometimes I wonder if this is all real. How crazy people act is nuts.

I believe the economy is doing so well and we skipped the next business cycle because Trump lowered the corporate taxt rate. But you would have to believe in Math to understand that.

I dont believe Trump is crooked. What else has he done besides collude with Russia in the dreams of Democrats?
 
And where is Obama's birth certificate??!??

Tangent but why not.

So legit question. Does it even matter?

Barack was born to a US citizen so he is a US citizen. He could have been born on Mars to the same woman and he is a US citizen. The geography of his birth is irrelevant. Right?
 
Tangent but why not.

So legit question. Does it even matter?

Barack was born to a US citizen so he is a US citizen. He could have been born on Mars to the same woman and he is a US citizen. The geography of his birth is irrelevant. Right?
Possibly. But possibly not. The issue of what a "natural born citizen" means (the phrase in the Constitution) hadn't been decided by the Supreme Court. Many, possibly even most legal scholars believe that it means a person who is a citizen from the time they are born, and to me that's the only reasonable way of looking at things. But others disagree, and that's not the only interpretation.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause
 
Possibly. But possibly not. The issue of what a "natural born citizen" means (the phrase in the Constitution) hadn't been decided by the Supreme Court. Many, possibly even most legal scholars believe that it means a person who is a citizen from the time they are born, and to me that's the only reasonable way of looking at things. But others disagree, and that's not the only interpretation.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause

I’m with you. US citizen = US citizen

Basically people get to interpret it as is convenient.

Isn’t this exactly the type of legal questions the supreme court is supposed to resolve? Haha
 
Those are my reasons I voted for him, and I suspect that its the same for a lot of other people. None of it had to do with Russia.

OK, I appreciate you taking the time to spell out your reasons for supporting Trump.

Sorry for still another "novel", but I'll try and make this my last effort to describe my perspective.

I believe we are a sovereign nation. From Wikipedia: Sovereignty is the full right and power of a governing body over itself, without any interference from outside sources or bodies. In political theory, sovereignty is a substantive term designating supreme authority over some polity.

John McCain was very blunt in describing Russian interference in our sovereignty. He called it an "act of war". He was describing it that way in 2016.

I understand that the United States has interfered in the sovereignty of other nations. Some of the impetus behind the exodus from the so-called Northern Triangle of Central American nations can be traced to our own interference there in the 20th century.

Nonetheless, I find I cannot just apply the "what goes around, comes around" perspective to Russian interference in our sovereignty as a nation, even as I have been, at times, an opponent of our own imperial machinations during my lifetime. Too many friends killed, or tormented for the remainder of their lives, because of the Vietnam war, for instance.

Donald Trump fought tooth and nail to not apply sanctions against Russia for their blatant interference in our sovereignty and in the central institution of our political system: our elections. Donald Trump stood before the world, with Putin smiling at his side, at Helsinki, and pronounced he chose to believe Putin when told that Putin and Russia had not interfered in those 2016 elections.

Nobody ever said we need to go to war with Russia. But to not defend the nation he was elected to lead, as the Commander in Chief, was to let down every American who expected our head of state to represent our nation. He failed.

And despite his Big Lie of "total and complete exoneration", and yes, I mean Big Lie in the Orwellian sense, we have every right, as citizens of the United States, to understand the source reasons for this deference to the leader of a mafia state who makes no secret of his desire to weaken Western liberal democracies. Whatever our flaws, including those of our political leadership, (if one chooses to view the Clintons as the epitome of corruption, for example), they are OUR flaws, and we cannot simply lay down meekly while our chief geopolitical foe for the past 70 years, commits, as McCain said, an "act of war": to interfere in our sovereignty as a nation.

I expect our president to act in our interest in the face of such an attack. For reasons of his own, he has consistently behaved as if defending his nation goes against his grain, where Putin and Russia is concerned. I find that unacceptable, and I want to know exactly what is behind this deference. I do not accept his Big Lie.
 
OK, I appreciate you taking the time to spell out your reasons for supporting Trump.

Sorry for still another "novel", but I'll try and make this my last effort to describe my perspective.

I believe we are a sovereign nation. From Wikipedia: Sovereignty is the full right and power of a governing body over itself, without any interference from outside sources or bodies. In political theory, sovereignty is a substantive term designating supreme authority over some polity.

John McCain was very blunt in describing Russian interference in our sovereignty. He called it an "act of war". He was describing it that way in 2016.

I understand that the United States has interfered in the sovereignty of other nations. Some of the impetus behind the exodus from the so-called Northern Triangle of Central American nations can be traced to our own interference there in the 20th century.

Nonetheless, I find I cannot just apply the "what goes around, comes around" perspective to Russian interference in our sovereignty as a nation, even as I have been, at times, an opponent of our own imperial machinations during my lifetime. Too many friends killed, or tormented for the remainder of their lives, because of the Vietnam war, for instance.

Donald Trump fought tooth and nail to not apply sanctions against Russia for their blatant interference in our sovereignty and in the central institution of our political system: our elections. Donald Trump stood before the world, with Putin smiling at his side, at Helsinki, and pronounced he chose to believe Putin when told that Putin and Russia had not interfered in those 2016 elections.

Nobody ever said we need to go to war with Russia. But to not defend the nation he was elected to lead, as the Commander in Chief, was to let down every American who expected our head of state to represent our nation. He failed.

And despite his Big Lie of "total and complete exoneration", and yes, I mean Big Lie in the Orwellian sense, we have every right, as citizens of the United States, to understand the source reasons for this deference to the leader of a mafia state who makes no secret of his desire to weaken Western liberal democracies. Whatever our flaws, including those of our political leadership, (if one chooses to view the Clintons as the epitome of corruption, for example), they are OUR flaws, and we cannot simply lay down meekly while our chief geopolitical foe for the past 70 years, commits, as McCain said, an "act of war": to interfere in our sovereignty as a nation.

I expect our president to act in our interest in the face of such an attack. For reasons of his own, he has consistently behaved as if defending his nation goes against his grain, where Putin and Russia is concerned. I find that unacceptable, and I want to know exactly what is behind this deference. I do not accept his Big Lie.

I can accept that as a valid point of view and understand where you are coming from. Sometimes I am just having a little fun with this, or Trolling as some would say. I too would like to know if he was doing something seriously wrong as president. So I want to know whats in the report as well.
 
Maybe Im not human, or I am the only person propaganda doesnt work on.

It's entirely possible you have a completely unknown, unexamined, and altered brain structure; that you live without a Type I brain response system and yet can still drive on a Type II only, when for every other person on earth Type II is too slow for activities like walking, driving, etc. It's also possible you are falling into the extremely common fallacy of believing yourself to be rational, when in fact you are reacting without thinking like every one else who has the Type I system.

Sometimes I wonder if this is all real. How crazy people act is nuts.

Agreed.

I believe the economy is doing so well and we skipped the next business cycle because Trump lowered the corporate taxt rate. But you would have to believe in Math to understand that.

Anyone can use math to prove anything. Math is a formal system. It takes the input assumptions and produces an output. I believe the math, but we disagree on the input assumptions.

I dont believe Trump is crooked. What else has he done besides collude with Russia in the dreams of Democrats?

I could put up dozens of links, but if you look into this on your own, you can find it easily enough.
 
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