Will You Accept the Findings of the Muller Probe?

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Will You Accept the Findings of the Muller Probe?

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  1. Red

    Red Well-Known Member

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    Well, Mueller said he would add nothing beyond what he said was his statement, namely, the Mueller Report. But, since few read it, his reading sections for the public to hear may make a difference. I am looking forward to the Intelligence Committee hearings, since we know next to nothing regarding the counterintelligence aspect to the investigation.
     
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  2. The Thriller

    The Thriller Well-Known Member

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    Prison is not a good place... yikes

     
  3. Red

    Red Well-Known Member

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    How can ya not love this guy?! He's such a card, such a funny, funny fellow. Lol. Remember when Putin ordered an attack on the United States? Lol, that was such a hilarious moment in our history, was it not? I know it cracked me up at the time. Here Vlad and Donnie share a good laugh over election interference. Har. Har. America First, hahaha.....

     
  4. The Thriller

    The Thriller Well-Known Member

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    And then this:



    It’s Hilarious because, you know, Putin has killed journalists who he disagreed with. Normalizing the extermination of critics is yet another sign of our democracy fading.

    Yet, I’m sure the conservatives on here will still defend this. They’ll claim that we’re being alarmist. They’ll accuse us of making unfair comparisons to despots of the past and how they killed off journalists. And then they’ll make scumbag perpetrators of fake news out to be victims of a vast liberal “socialist” deep state that’s trying to silence conservatives.

    Rinse, wash, repeat for anyone who has just a basic understanding of history in authoritarianism.
     
  5. Joe Bagadonuts

    Joe Bagadonuts Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately for you the righties learned their lesson from the lefties. When dirt came out against Clinton we thought it was a big deal, but we were told that it didn't matter. And the left was correct in the sense that Clinton's crimes against women had virtually no impact on his presidency. The left didn't really care about any of this stuff until Trump came along, and suddenly it's a national emergency to them. Spare me.

    That said, both Trump's reaction to the claim and this woman's behavior are truly bizarre. Can you imagine being accused of sexual assault and saying that it didn't happen because she's not your type? But that was no weirder than her cooky interview with Anderson Cooper. Holy whackadoodle!
     
  6. Joe Bagadonuts

    Joe Bagadonuts Well-Known Member

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    I predict that they are going to eventually wish they hadn't done this. When a democrat asks a question about the investigation he's going to refer them to a page in the report. When a republican asks him about when he came to his conclusions and why he didn't wrap up the investigation once he reached them, why he hired a bunch of liberal lawyers and HRC campaign donors to investigate, why he didn't investigate any of the leads that went left (such as figuring out where Steele got his info and why search warrants were issued using the unverified dossier as evidence), etc. anything could happen. It will be very interesting to see how he answers. They will probably also ask him where he came up with the "does not exonerate" legal standard. I will be very interested to hear the answer to that one.
     
  7. Joe Bagadonuts

    Joe Bagadonuts Well-Known Member

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    More hilarity.
     
  8. Ron Mexico

    Ron Mexico Well-Known Member Contributor

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    Society in general has become less tolerant of sexual assault and taking claims more serious than when Bill Clinton was in office. That change started before Trump got elected. It's been happening more and more regardless of political affiliation. There have been plenty of "liberal" people shamed and had the spotlight put on them.

    In fact Trump has been let off the hook more than most people. Mostly due to the fact that there is just so many negative things he says and does.
     
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  9. Red

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    I love how you support a president who actually publically jokes and buddy's up to the guy who launched an attack on our country. Actually turns the fact of that attack into an opportunity to joke about it, make light of it, in front of the whole world, with the man who ordered that attack. And you can't see anything absolutely revolting about that. Instead, you run off to see if you can possibly find some equivalency involving Obama. You are unable to come to the defense of your country, or even expect your president to do so, in those circumstances. You are remarkable, sir.
     
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  10. Joe Bagadonuts

    Joe Bagadonuts Well-Known Member

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    No doubt that Trump has gotten off the hook more than most people. Not sure that he's been let off.
    Thank you, I guess. I am less alarmed by Trump making a joke than I am about Obama suggesting he will circumvent the wishes of American's on an accidentally open mike. Much less alarmed. I can honestly understand why Trump feels the way he does about the media. IMO there are large numbers of media members who do their job in a highly partisan, highly politicized manner. Many people here claim this media bias is a figment of my imagination. I think many of those same people are quite satisfied with the media bias because it aligns with their political leanings. The bias might even be invisible to them. It does not bother them that conservatives are treated so differently than liberals because they believe that conservatives deserve to be treated differently than liberals.
     
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  11. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    I think it's weird that all of you guys even watch or listen to the media.


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  12. The Thriller

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    Trump is such a ****ing *****.



    Sucking on Putin this morning and now getting on all 4s for Kim. Just a complete and utter *****.

    I remember a time when our presidents weren’t trying to suck up to the world’s worst leaders.
     
  13. The Thriller

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    I love how republicans who only watch Fox News are experts on what “the media” says.

    It’s like me claiming that I know anything about soccer when all I do is watch basketball and football.

    Republicans just whine these days it seems. If the media isn’t bullying them it’s mark zuckerberg. If they’re not bullying them it’s colleges. If it’s not colleges bullying them it’s women... it just never ends, life must be so hard for conservatives.
     
  14. Red

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    What about the bias of the most watched cable news network in America? Fox. They are virtual state media in prime time. State media is Trump media, propoganda media. And for our president, any media critical of hm is "the enemy of the people". Yet you cannot see the mind set that such a declaration creates in the minds of his followers. Apparently, because you believe it. You don't blame Trump. Yet every president in our history has at times faced an adversarial press. It's part of the function of that free press to speak truth to power. But you do not understand that, I can only assume by now. You don't blame Trump. For you, any press that is shining a light on this presidency really is the enemy of the people. And broadcasting lies and hoaxes, no real light at all.

    Yet there's Fox, on your side, incubating narratives, fake news screaming "fake news!" to the masses, "they're trying to take down your president", and on and on the bs flies. To be sucked up. All the while a gangster winging his way and stroking his ego endlessly. But they don't count. It's the liberal media that's the enemy, not Fox, no not Fox, not State Media. Authoritarians need State Media. They don't like the kind of media that looks too close, won't just go away, damn pests. No, let's leave Fox out of this, they're the good guys. Hannity, icon of truth, justice, and the American way.

    Fox. The leaders. Where the right wing conspiracy theories that Trump loves have incubated. Fox, where the Deep State bullcrap that Trump and Barr and Hannity and Breitbart as nauseum have all embraced, lives on daily, as the response to any deeper look at Trump. The gangster. That's right, a gansta in the Oval Office. And you don't want an adversarial press. You want the compliant press, friend to authoritarians everywhere, and at all times.

    Trump has the leading cable news outlet in his pocket, and you're pissed at the ones actually speaking truth to power. Beautiful. And yeah, I know, you believe the Deep State bs instead, so of course, your bias is just fine for you. And the enemy of the people need to shut up because we have a stable genius at the helm. Of course.

    Look at the rest of the story from yesterday's how ya been, Vlad. This exchange just before the smiles over election interference. It's perfect, just perfect....


    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...tin-joke-reporters-fake-news-g-20/1598685001/

    OSAKA, Japan – President Donald Trump expressed exasperation with the media in a conversation with Vladimir Putin on Friday and spoke approvingly of the fact that the Russian president does not have the same problems with the media that he has.

    The president's remarks drew blowback on social media from critics who noted that journalists in Russia have been killed.

    "Fake news," Trump said during a meeting with Putin at the G-20 summit in Japan as journalists filled into the room to cover the leaders' remarks. "You don't have this problem with Russia, We have. You don’t have it."

    Putin responded in English, according to a raw video feed of the exchange.

    "Yes, yes," he said. "We have, too. The same."

    Trump has for years blasted U.S. media as "the enemy of the people." Still, the praise for the Russian president on the point was a remarkable comment for a U.S. president. More than three dozen journalists have been murdered in Russia since 1992, according to the Committee to Protect Journalists
     
  15. Red

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    A bit further clarification. When I'm satisfied with the bias I see on a network, or read in a journalistic essay, it's because, IMHO, I think the commentator, the guest, the writer, whoever it be, has spoken the truth. I like truth. I think I see and understand the truth of what's going on. "Political leanings" can go pound salt. I already know what they are. I like truth. Could I be wrong? Sure, probably everyday about something. But not about this, and call me an arrogant **** for saying that. I don't care. If I believe it "aligns" with the truth of the matter at hand, I'm quite satisfied. There's nothing really wrong with bias if it aligns with the truth of the matter.

    And, as for the bias being invisible? Nope. I don't watch the cable networks to the degree I did earlier in Trump's presidency, but I find it rather easy to recognize the bias. It's not at all difficult. I recognize overkill, cute remarks, the jokes between like minded people, yep, I get it easily enough. Sometimes it turns me off, but I try to keep the bigger picture in mind.
     
  16. Red

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    Yep, there is a lot to be said for "Gunsmoke" reruns.
     
  17. LogGrad98

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    Media is everywhere. This is media right now. I'm affecting you with my bias this very second. You are now infected fish. Dirty.
     
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  18. The Thriller

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    I’m so tired of the liberal media NY Times who just silence conservatives. Conservatives don’t have a place to go anymore to spout their opinions! And in Bret Stephens’ case, where can he go to spout his white nationalism? Darn that liberal NY Times! They’re de-platforming conservatives left and right!



     
  19. Joe Bagadonuts

    Joe Bagadonuts Well-Known Member

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    I think it's weird that you don't think your information is coming from the media.
     
  20. Joe Bagadonuts

    Joe Bagadonuts Well-Known Member

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    Life is clearly a lot easier on conservatives than it is on you.
     

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