Will You Accept the Findings of the Muller Probe?


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Stars Fan

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Investigating the FBI over a legit counter intelligence operation is how despots take power. Anyone who doesn’t seem the danger of attacking our own intelligence and law enforcement communities for doing their jobs in order to intimidate them to serve the president (not the country) needs to have their heads examined.

Fascism is here. Will it continue to take over our institutions?
Just a reminder, this started with concern over Russian intelligence efforts against the US election. Why is it more pressing for the president and his lap dog AG to throw shade on the FBI? Why isn't the IG investigation good enough? Who wants to bet the AG's investigation will be biased?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...se_of_all_this_was_what_the_rusisans_did.html
 


Red

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If damaging the FBI advances Trump's Deep State Big Lie, then damage the FBI it will be. What Trump and the DOJ under Barr are doing is all about the Big Lie. Right in our face, yet so many cannot see this, so many embrace the Big Lie because they find it easier to buy into the belief that Trump was a victim. For Trump, collateral damage to our democratic institutions is of absolutely no importance. And the blind embrace the Deep State Big Lie because they want to, they have been looking and hoping for any excuse to reject Russian meddling in our democracy. I'm no longer interested in their reasoning. Instead of examining their own biases, they question those of us who are lucky enough to see through this BS. I have no respect for such citizens.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/willi...probe-sends-chilling-message-to-fbi-for-trump

But the current outcry about the use of FISA surveillance and informants to investigate Russian interference in the 2016 election is not sufficient predication for a criminal investigation. Those techniques are routinely and appropriately used in counterintelligence investigations against foreign adversaries. Former FBI general counsel James Baker has been speaking out about the FBI’s work on the Russia investigation, stating that the investigation was not a “coup” against President Trump, but instead was “about Russia. It was always about Russia. Full stop.” Failing to investigate Russian interference would have been a breach of the FBI’s duty.

....Contrast Barr’s performances with the recent congressional testimony of FBI Director Christopher Wray. Wray rejected Barr’s use of the term “spying” as “not the term I would use.” Wray also stated that he did not have any evidence of any illegal surveillance into the Trump campaign. Trump responded by tweeting: “The FBI has no leadership . . . The Director is protecting the same gang . . . that tried to . . . overthrow the President through an illegal coup.”
 

Joe Bagadonuts

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But I posted the following just a few hours ago. The conservative piece in particular seems to reflect your point of view. Read it, why don't you. I'll listen to the findings, but, yeah, I do assume it will be possible to come to more then one interpretation when that investigation concludes, and I do assume the "growing evidence" you refer to likely will not hold up, but is simply designed to discredit the entire Mueller report. There will be two sides to this. I suspect the "growing evidence" that it began as a "politically motivated hit job" will not hold up, as, for instance Jim Baker suggested just a few days ago.(https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/10/politics/james-baker-brookings/index.html)

There is also the Inspector General's report due later this month or in June. I'll pay attention to what it says as well, and I will also pay attention to how the Democrats respond to both the IG's report and the Ct. prosecutor's investigation, which apparently is a few weeks old already. (Edit: and a few more details here, since I posted the comment below: https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/poli...tion-origin-barr-haspel-coats-wray/index.html). And I told you I don't mind being seen as biased. You're biased as well, whether you want to admit it or not.



As far as "the bad orange man must be stopped at all costs", what the hell do you think I'm advocating here, a revolution? A coup attempt as Trump sees it? No, not at all costs. I'll settle for the ballot box in 2020, and if he gets a second term, I'll still be in the Resistance, but that is my right. I don't have to agree with you to be a good citizen.

Edit: I've mentioned this before, probably one of the other Trump threads. I resist Trump, and I will always resist Trump, due to my position on climate change and global warming. I am a big fan of Tom Engelhardt, who publishes TomDispatch, and I agree with him 100% that, due to his position on climate change, history will judge Trump as having been guilty of "crimes against humanity":

https://www.thenation.com/article/trumps-biggest-crime-isnt-being-covered-by-the-mainstream-media/
I did read the piece you posted. And then after posting it you said you weren't interested in those facts. That's why I said what I did. I know you are right that it will be possible to interpret any investigation in more than one way. The Mueller thing is proof of that. I believe that the Trump haters want him out so badly that they don't care what it is that ends his presidency, ethical or not. There are posters on this site who have made it clear they agree with that thinking.

And I know that we are all biased. I am a conservative. I have never denied that. I also disagree your crimes against humanity thing.
 

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Imagine that the press was having some sort of contest to twist every one of your statements into the worst possible interperetation. Imagine that they were making up evidence to claim that you were a criminal. Imagine that large portions of the press were actively working to undermine you. That is what is happening to Trump (at least from his perspective). Many (notice that I did not say "all") of the breathless claims the press has been making over the last 2.5 years have been proven false. So how would you feel about the press if you were someone they had been telling these sorts of untruths about over all this time? I know I would not enjoy being lied about in that way.

Unfortunately all of this might be an unavoidable pitfall of social media and 24/7 news (which are both here to stay).
I think if he just didn't act like a petty classless douchebag so much from the very beginning he wouldn't get treated a certain way.
He made his bed

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fishonjazz

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So, to be clear, I do to the trouble of hunting down 3-10 year-old news clips that show CNN twisting words, and if I successfully do so, you will stop talking about how unfair the press is to Trump and how CNN is so left-leaning?
It's a trap!

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Joe Bagadonuts

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I think if he just didn't act like a petty classless douchebag so much from the very beginning he wouldn't get treated a certain way.
He made his bed

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This is probably true. It is also probably true that if he wasn't such an aggressive prick he wouldn't have become president. He literally mowed down everything in his path.
 

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Just an FYI, news organizations "report" things, they don't make "claims" about things.
 

silesian

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Investigating the FBI over a legit counter intelligence operation is how despots take power. Anyone who doesn’t seem the danger of attacking our own intelligence and law enforcement communities for doing their jobs in order to intimidate them to serve the president (not the country) needs to have their heads examined.

Fascism is here. Will it continue to take over our institutions?


Remember Trump’s crack panel to prove millions of illegal HRC voters? Similar thing. So far the institutions have held up despite this despot wannabe’s efforts. He’s not smart enough to pull this stuff off.
 

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