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Will You Accept the Findings of the Muller Probe?

Will You Accept the Findings of the Muller Probe?

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candrew said:
If The Mueller Report didn't prove a coordinated attempt by Trump and the Russians to rig the election in his favor, can we all agree that it illustrated that the people representing the nominated candidate for one of our major political parties had WAYYYYYY more interactions with Russian operatives than we should be comfortable with?
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...ies-continue-establishment-column/3535024002/

"Trump is not subordinate to Russia
Even post-Mueller, the hysteria continues. Ralph Peters, on CNN, referred to President Trump as "slavishly subordinate” to Vladimir Putin. But that’s crazy. Trump has sanctioned Russia for its actions in Ukraine, Syria, and Iran, under his command the United States military killed hundreds of Russian mercenaries in Syria, has been sending weapons to Ukraine to resist Russian invasion, and most importantly has promoted U.S. oil production, crushing Russia’s main source of money and influence.

As Walter Russell Mead wrote in 2017:

If Trump were the Manchurian candidate that people keep wanting to believe that he is, here are some of the things he’d be doing:

► Limiting fracking as much as he possibly could

► Blocking oil and gas pipelines

► Opening negotiations for major nuclear arms reductions

► Cutting U.S. military spending

► Trying to tamp down tensions with Russia’s ally Iran

That Trump is planning to do precisely the opposite of these things may or may not be good policy for the United States, but anybody who thinks this is a Russia appeasement policy has been drinking way too much joy juice.

Obama actually did all of these things, and none of the liberal media now up in arms about Trump ever called Obama a Russian puppet; instead, they preferred to see a brave, farsighted and courageous statesman."
 
candrew said:
If The Mueller Report didn't prove a coordinated attempt by Trump and the Russians to rig the election in his favor, can we all agree that it illustrated that the people representing the nominated candidate for one of our major political parties had WAYYYYYY more interactions with Russian operatives than we should be comfortable with?
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I for one am not comfortable with it. Hell no.

I guess my question is, were people expecting a signed contract in blood between Putin and Trump explaining how Putin would hack the DNC and release their hacked info via Wikileaks in exchange for eased sanctions? A signed contract like Mitchell has with the Jazz? Was that the standard that we set in order to impeach Trump? Jeez, because if so... We might as well get rid of impeachment. Even Nixon didn't "order" his plumbers to hack into the DNC. They did that on their own and then when caught, Nixon merely tried to obstruct the investigation. He was caught via the White House tapes and through fellow witnesses. That was his downfall. But there wasn't any official signed contract between him and his plumbers directing them to hack Watergate and commit xyz in exchange for x-amount of dollars. So if we didn't find that with Nixon and his domestic plumbers, why should we hold Trump and Russia to a higher standard? If anything, Russia is going to be far more subtle and sly about their actions.

I think this has played out exactly how I thought it would.

  • Trump and his subordinates had WAAAAYYYYYY too much contact with the Russians. Did the Russians officially and formally draw up a contract? Hell no, that would be stupid. But they sent a clear message that through indirect ways that they were all in for Trump. These messages were received by the Trump camp despite being warned in October 2016 about Russian interference.
  • Once this story didn't go away, Trump tried to flush it down the toilet by firing Comey. Things got worse and he's been lying about contact with the Russians, his business deals, and conspiracy ever since.
  • Now his idiotic lawyer is mixing collusion and conspiracy and claiming that neither is a crime and that there's nothing wrong with working with the Russians in hopes that Americans just grow exhausted and frustrated and lose interest.


So all of this brings up 3 questions:
  • 1. Are we really comfortable with foreign governments playing games in our politics? Should the Democrats enlist the Chinese to help in 2020?
  • 2. Are we really comfortable with a President who is clearly compromised by the Russians? Even right now, as we speak, the Russians hold all the cards. Trump for 2 years has denied having anything to do with Russia. That's been a blatant lie. Do we seriously not think that the Russians haven't been paying attention to his denials? What do you think the world thinks about nonsense tweets like this?

  • 3. Shouldn't the office of the President be held to the highest standards? Republicans can suffer an impeachment here. Get rid of Trump. Come back strong in 2020 with a better candidate. Come back in 2024. The problem is, one political party appears to actually agree with how Trump conducts himself and is totally fine with Russian help. Democracy be damned. And as long as they hold at least 1/3rd majority in the senate, they can filibuster any progressive legislation no matter how many Democrats are in the House and White House.
 
NPC D4617 said:
Sorry, I cant read the link. It wants one dollar. I refuse to give the Washington Post one dollar, or any other news outlet out there, fake or otherwise.
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Protip: if you are using Chrome, you can open the link in an incognito tab for free. (not sure about other browsers but they might have something similar)
 
Red said:
Sometimes, if it's the Post, I will do a search for the article title to see if I can find a free copy of the piece, but most times I don't bother going through that.
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See my Protip just posted.
 
This all amounted to...

Well you were standing next to the cookie jar. You've lied about cookies before. You had crumbs all over your shirt, and chocolate on your face, your fingers had cookie on them too, and you tried to get your friends to say they didn't see you eat it (they refused to lie for you), but since I didn't directly see you eat the cookie I really can't absolutely for certain say you ate it.
 
LogGrad98 said:
This all amounted to...

Well you were standing next to the cookie jar. You've lied about cookies before. You asked the cookie jar for some cookies, and the cookie jar told you you're going to get them, and then cookies appeared. You had crumbs all over your shirt, and chocolate on your face, your fingers had cookie on them too, and you tried to get your friends to say they didn't see you eat it (they refused to lie for you), but since I didn't directly see you eat the cookie I really can't absolutely for certain say you ate it.
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No disrespect, but this needed to be added. For clarity.
 
Harambe said:
No disrespect, but this needed to be added. For clarity.
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And republicans are cool with this? They’re cool with the president working with the Russians like this? They’re unconcerned about what this means for national security? They don’t think this sets an awful precedent that can and will be repeated either by foreign countries or by competing domestic political parties (why doesn’t the DNC employ China or North Korea to hack the GOP’s server in 2020?)?

I guess judges and tax cuts are like totally worth all of this...

Jeez.

Remember, impeachment isn’t about punishment. You don’t have to commit a crime to be impeached. It’s about cleansing the office...

 
Bulletproof said:
You sneaky guy... All us heathens are just using incognito for pron. Here you are using it for news articles.
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colton said:
See my Protip just posted.
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I never thought about trying to hide my identity from liberal news sites, but thats actually pretty smart. They want to tax you and dox you. #notme

Funny how even the liberal news sites want to tax you. Smh.

How about give me that **** for free? Am I doing it right? I should just get it free right? Who are they to charge anyways?
 
Seriously though.

This never ending cry storm about the Russians helping Trump win the election(allegedly), has got to stop. The dude won. Its over. His first term is practically over.

This **** is getting old. Dems have to be the biggest poor sports on the planet. If this were basketball the Dems would be Chris Paul. Shut up already. You werent fouled. You are the one throwing your body around, flailing, flopping, and committing the fouls. Try winning fair and square. Trump winning is the equivalent of winning game one by throwing a dunk down in the face of the Dems with a questionable no charge call after the weaker Dem stood in the way to draw the charge.. but, but, but my feet were set. Shut up. Man up and try to play real defense. Try scoring more. Instead the Dems are complaining to the commissioner, the news, the players association, retired players, fans from different countries, and anyone else that will listen. Man up and get ready for game 2. Quit crying already. You arent over turning the call. You lost. Should have done more. That no call wasnt the only thing that decided the game.
 
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