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Williams, Sloan put the past where it belongs

Kyoto said:
You cant compare different players from different eras. If Malone was drafted today, he would have already developed a 3pt shot and would probably be a stretch 4 or 5. Players from different eras developed different skills optimized for their competition. By just saying, "oh gobert would fit in both eras but Eaton wouldn't" is just stupid.

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We cant compare players from different eras? This is news to me.
 
LifeOnaPlate said:
Keep in mind Williams himself has never gone out and said Sloan was washed up and should have retired. And in this recent instance he still praised the coach. Williams showed great maturity here. Good for him. Jazz Nation should welcome him back.
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Again, sorry if I find apologies self-serving. Vast majority of them are. From you apologizing to your little brother for pushing them so your mum wouldn't ground you, to politicians apologizing for any number of misdeeds. I don't think Williams is apologizing for Jerry's sake, but for his own sake. That's just how people are. I find it hard to believe sudden changes of heart. Just like I don't believe that Tim Hardaway is suddenly a friend to the gay community. If Williams really wanted to apologize, it wouldn't have taken Steve Starks calling him and suggesting it. He knows how to contact the Jazz. This just reeks of someone trying to apologize to a dying man to make themselves feel better.

And you ought to remember that this set the Jazz as an organization back a decade. A player refusing to acknowledge the basic concept that players play and coaches coach and nothing good ever comes out of trying to mess with that. Especially in a situation where the freaking team has a .675 record. The team won 53 games in 2010. They were on a pace to win roughly that many in 2011 before Williams decided to stage his rebellion. If luck with injuries serves us, we may win 53 again this year. 9 years later, and almost a decade of rebuild later. Think about it. That's a quarter of this franchise's history in Utah.

And while you and Williams try to pin what happened on youth(I love apologies where someone says they were young and/or stupid), he was 26 at the time. He was also the the leader of the team. Or he was supposed to be, anyway. Rudy is our current captain. Compare and contrast. And I hate this idea that as long as you offer an apology(contrite, no less!), forgiveness should follow. I think certain things can't be undone. A decade in the wilderness for our franchise is one of those things. We all make choices and we have to live with them. I still don't think Williams realizes how much damage he did. He just feels bad that his career went off the rails and that he has no home, in basketball terms, anymore. Oh, and that people blame him for making the last season of a HOF coach's career a sad spectacle.
 
Kyoto said:
You cant compare different players from different eras. If Malone was drafted today, he would have already developed a 3pt shot and would probably be a stretch 4 or 5. Players from different eras developed different skills optimized for their competition. By just saying, "oh gobert would fit in both eras but Eaton wouldn't" is just stupid.

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There is absolutely no chance in hell that Eaton could have developed the foot speed to compete in this era. It isn't a matter of optimization... or era... or anything else. There are physical limitations that are insurmountable.
 
I don't think Williams' jersey should be retired as he wasn't here long enough for my liking, but I wouldn't think it's a travesty either. He was the man on a team that made the WCF once. I also don't seem to hate him as much as others do either. Yeah, he probably forced Sloan out but Sloan was probably leaving soon anyway, or should have.
 
Douchebag K said:
Deron Williams has proved himself to be a bigger man than anyone would have thought. I respect the hell out of what he did, anyone who wants to continue holding a grudge now is a petty little man.
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Loved him as a player... was devastated on trade day... never booed him and rooted for him when he wasn’t playing us. Dude grew up and was man enough to own his ****.

Really was rooting for a reunion when he was released by Dallas. No spot for him now but just wanted him to get a short stint here prior to hanging them up... hope he comes to a game and gets cheered this year. He can be an ambassador for the franchise and can help guys know it ain’t always greener outside of Utah.

Glad both guys closed this chapter before Sloan’s health deteriorates to a point where he can’t communicate effectively.

BTW... have had a few people I know have personal experiences with Sloan and they were shocked how friendly and generous he was with him taking time to connect with them. He was an ornery mfer on the court but a friendly class act off it.
 
Could someone help me understand all that Deron did to piss off Sloan? This article seems to be pro-Williams, and only mentions a couple of relatively minor things: calling a play to the opposite side, discussing defensive strategy with teammates, and being slightly disrespectful in a half time conversation.

It seems like there has to be more to this, and these are the pieces of straw that broke Sloan's back. Does anyone have any more details.

Based on what this article describes I can't see how Sloan would hold a grudge for this long?
 
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