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would u trade hayward for kawhi leonard

dalamon said:
nope. Hayward's defense is fine, and his offense > Kawhis.

Imagine if Kawhi played for the 76ers.
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at the same time: Kawhi's offense is fine, and his defense > Haywards.

Imagine defense winning championships. Imagine offense winning... how many games the Jazz won dis year? like 2 or somethin i think lol.
 
Jazz Insider said:
stereotype or not, the reputation is real. i was simply bringin reality to the table bro. when people outside of utah think of a 'jazz-like' player, he aint a young black dude wit braids. just keepin it real, no offense.
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That aspect wasn't even remotely crossing my mind until you brought it up, but thanks for reminding me that ignorance is still well alive in this time and age.
 
Jamezz said:
This is arguable, is what Hayward brings offensively better than what Kawhi brings defensively in terms of what the final objective is, winning games? In other words, is the offensive drop down that Kawhi brings higher than the defensive drop down that Hayward would bring? It is a good debate, where crunch time numbers would also play a big part on deciding who is more valuable. I stick to my 1st take on it, Kawhi.
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Leonard needs people to get him the ball in good spots to be affective on offense. He also plays next to a ton of good to great shooters and stars. He would be an even worse shooter and offensive player on our team as there is no one on this team to create space for him to operate and get good looks. Just think of what Hayward would do in a spurs uniform. Just because the numbers are similar doesn't mean they are even close to equals. Situations in this debate haven't even been considered and anyone that thinks Hayward's situation and environment is even close to the one KL is in u need to cancel your jazzfanz account. Simply put, and it's no contest. Hayward is the better player
 
Jazz Insider said:
at the same time: Kawhi's offense is fine, and his defense > Haywards.

Imagine defense winning championships. Imagine offense winning... how many games the Jazz won dis year? like 2 or somethin i think lol.
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we can get wing defense for a lot cheaper than potentially elite wing offense.

Pair Gordon with a stud defender at the 2-- officially obliterates any need for better wing defense from Hayward (who's good enough to begin with).

If Kawhi is the focal point of your team's offense, your team will have problems.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Leonard needs people to get him the ball in good spots to be affective on offense. He also plays next to a ton of good to great shooters and stars. He would be an even worse shooter and offensive player on our team as there is no one on this team to create space for him to operate and get good looks. Just think of what Hayward would do in a spurs uniform. Just because the numbers are similar doesn't mean they are even close to equals. Situations in this debate haven't even been considered and anyone that thinks Hayward's situation and environment is even close to the one KL is in u need to cancel your jazzfanz account. Simply put, and it's no contest. Hayward is the better player
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I don't feel like talking to you any more, back to the game.
 
dalamon said:
we can get wing defense for a lot cheaper than potentially elite wing offense.

Pair Gordon with a stud defender at the 2-- officially obliterates any need for better wing defense from Hayward (who's good enough to begin with).

If Kawhi is the focal point of your team's offense, your team will have problems.
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isn't hawyward the focal point of his team's offense tho? doesn't seem to be problem-less.
sugar k is the focal point of his team's defense. he contained the best player on the planet, perhaps best player of all time, in da finals.
 
Jamezz said:
I don't feel like talking to you any more, back to the game.
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Jazz Insider said:
isn't hawyward the focal point of his team's offense tho? doesn't seem to be problem-less.
sugar k is the focal point of his team's defense. he contained the best player on the planet, perhaps best player of all time, in da finals.
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Before you say something incredibly stupid you might want to do research first. Leonard did not contain LBJ and saying he might be the best ever isn't going to help your argument because we all know he isn't the best of all time. Lol
 
Thee jazz fan said:
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Before you say something incredibly stupid you might want to do research first. Leonard did not contain LBJ and saying he might be the best ever isn't going to help your argument because we all know he isn't the best of all time. Lol
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I said "perhaps." hope u can understand that, cuz I don't debate with trolls.
 
My first reaction was YES but then I realized Leonard is playing for one of the greatest coaches of all-time. Would he play as well for Utah? And what would Hayward's numbers look like on the Spurs?
 
Jazz Insider said:
ok well thanks for admitting i am not a troll. now, back to our debate: why do u say hayward is better than sugar k? or is that just ur opinion, man.
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Lol
 
Jazz Insider said:
>adobe ID

is that something i gotta buy? or can u hook a brotha up?
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ID (InDesign) is an application used by graphic designers to put flyers and the like together. I'm a geographer for a company that employs a bunch of graphic designers so they let me have a license, otherwise yes you have to pay for it
 
The question is whether Leonard would be as good if he weren't playing for the Spurs. For the Jazz right now, Hayward is definitely a better fit, as others pointed out, he is a better facilitator and scorer. It's hard to say though because I think playing for the Spurs makes a player look better than they are actually are, like playing with Stockton and Malone did for some players during the Jazz heyday.
 
Jamezz said:
To all of those wondering what I mean by 'Jazz-like' go back to Jazz fan school and come back when you're ready.
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Nice progress; you advanced from reactive condescension -- “you’re so dumb, I’m so smart” – to anticipatory condescension – “in case you might hypothetically think this, you’re so dumb, I’m so smart."

Congrats!
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"You actually have to have a little intelligence to know you're stupid. I, for one, am smart enough to know how dumb I am, and I'm okay with that. I'm still smarter than all my friends." -- John Cleese
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The upshot is that dumb people do not have the intelligence to know that they are dumb.
 
silesian said:
Nice progress; you advanced from reactive condescension -- “you’re so dumb, I’m so smart” – to anticipatory condescension – “in case you might hypothetically think this, you’re so dumb, I’m so smart."

Congrats!
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"You actually have to have a little intelligence to know you're stupid. I, for one, am smart enough to know how dumb I am, and I'm okay with that. I'm still smarter than all my friends." -- John Cleese
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The upshot is that dumb people do not have the intelligence to know that they are dumb.
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Bottom line, you must be very dumb. Could have started there.
 
I think its worth a shout out to Hayward's aggression this season.

he has already scored 20+ more times this season than last, and in 30 fewer games. Last season he had 20+ 22 times in 77 games -->28% of the time, this year he's at 23 times in 44 games --> (52% of the time, he's above the 20pt mark... big jump)

he's scored 30+ more times this year (5 times) than all his previous years combined (4). (!)

not to mention career highs in VORP, BPM, oRTG, dRTG, normalized WS, Stl%, reb%, ft-rate, TS%, PER, and 2nd lowest TO% to go with the highest USG% of his career (i like that one).
 
Jazz Insider said:
srsly tho. when i think of 'jazz-like' player, a black guy wit braids aint exactly the first image that pops in mind. just keepin it real. if u been in a nba lockroom, u know dis perception (based n reality or not--dats debatble) is real. its real bro. dont deny it.
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How is this not racist? A "Jazz-like" player you should be thinking about skill asset regardless of skin color. Who cares?? Read some history books and go live outside of Utah for a while so that your mind can open.
 
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