WWIII, The Mother of all Oil Wars, Shaping Up
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I didn't. You mean the poster from Harris county in Texas who was here to razz the homeys?
nope. I don't have anybody singing about me.
you really shouldn't make it about me, either.
Change "song" to "post".
I fixed the typo. As a broad suggestion, I'd think you were doing better if you left me out of the discussion and tried to find some merit in my comments, or whatever, to discuss. Probably true I could do better in that regard too.
We're off topic.
So is it confirmed that babe is a Russian spy yet?
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Did our boards most arrogant, smug, pinhead just call someone else this?
So, folks. This thread is for discussing the russian-Ukraine war as it might possibly relate to a western campaign to control oil resources worldwide. The hypothesis here would be that US diplomacy has been on a decades' track (that's plural for decade, with an apostrophe to indicate a possessive property to the use of the term----it's been going on for decades, probably since before 1917.
In this campaign, western oil cartel interests have pursued policies that help exclude Russia from participating in Western markets, including the whole "Communism" thing through the Cold War and since the USSR breakup, which was the result of certain financial moves which Reagan took, along with his Star Wars and military buildup, which Russia could not match. The financial strategy actually came from US bankers like JP Morgan. Britain has been involved through its Foreign Office in many specific policies as well.
I cite certain more recent facts including (1) A statement from our top diplomat during negotiation over NATO forces inside the former East Germany region. An assurance recently cited in Russian media with an accurate quote "Not One Inch). We promised Russia we would not take new areas from the former Warsaw Pact into NATO. Putin has been objecting. Pushing our forces closer to the Russian border is his idea of "aggression" on our part.
Why are we doing it? Because we believe people should be free? Not really. Freedom is under broad assault in the West. We have election corruption and propaganda press pushing a globalist agenda for a single world governance, as exampled by The Great Reset.
So, Putin has said many times that our UN new world order is not "new law", meaning rule of law under a new system, but "No law", meaning a global dictatorship, which he objects to because it's not his dictatorship I suppose.
I assure you all, that I know what he is thinking at least in this respect. I know that's why talks failed on Feb 28 when the Zelensky government demanded that Ukraine should be "permitted" to join the EU. And I think, NATO as well, but that was not specified in the reports I have.
So, anyway, I believe this is the mother of all wars, and fundamentally over resource control. But it may also be over "Whose UN?".
In this campaign, western oil cartel interests have pursued policies that help exclude Russia from participating in Western markets, including the whole "Communism" thing through the Cold War and since the USSR breakup, which was the result of certain financial moves which Reagan took, along with his Star Wars and military buildup, which Russia could not match. The financial strategy actually came from US bankers like JP Morgan. Britain has been involved through its Foreign Office in many specific policies as well.
I cite certain more recent facts including (1) A statement from our top diplomat during negotiation over NATO forces inside the former East Germany region. An assurance recently cited in Russian media with an accurate quote "Not One Inch). We promised Russia we would not take new areas from the former Warsaw Pact into NATO. Putin has been objecting. Pushing our forces closer to the Russian border is his idea of "aggression" on our part.
Why are we doing it? Because we believe people should be free? Not really. Freedom is under broad assault in the West. We have election corruption and propaganda press pushing a globalist agenda for a single world governance, as exampled by The Great Reset.
So, Putin has said many times that our UN new world order is not "new law", meaning rule of law under a new system, but "No law", meaning a global dictatorship, which he objects to because it's not his dictatorship I suppose.
I assure you all, that I know what he is thinking at least in this respect. I know that's why talks failed on Feb 28 when the Zelensky government demanded that Ukraine should be "permitted" to join the EU. And I think, NATO as well, but that was not specified in the reports I have.
So, anyway, I believe this is the mother of all wars, and fundamentally over resource control. But it may also be over "Whose UN?".
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Here's my survey of worldwide factors today.
China is still going, unless somehow pressured out of it, to let Russians participate in the Special Olympics starting tomorrow.
India is sending medical supplies to support Ukraine, but no military supplies. Some reasons, imo, are contracts for military stuff from Russia, and Ukraine as well.
While Western media propaganda calls support for Ukraine "worldwide", it is lukewarm in some of those supporters. Serbia has pretty good normal relations with Russia, as does Turkey, while both object to annexation of new territories. Like China, Russia has stuff going on all over the world that helps other countries somehow. Nuclear power plant construction, desalination projects mining interests. Globalism is just messy so far as all that goes. And many of those countries have governments that for whatever reason object to the US dominance.
We have weakened ourselves with the debacle in Afghanistan. We have tried to help Iran but can claim no actually benefit for our efforts in global political respects.
As something of an "Old Asia Hand", I expect Xi to help pick the bones of Russia if Putin falls. I mean, I expect military occupation of a large part of Siberia by China. It's prudent, long-term need. Putin needs China more than China needs Putin.
Kazakstan will become a China ally and sell oil to China, like Iran does. China will be a much bigger problem for us.
In the short term, I think Xi still expects Taiwan to join his league, along with Korea. Our hope to ring China with allies and contain it is very much weakened by our diplomatic gaffs in Eastern Europe.
China is still going, unless somehow pressured out of it, to let Russians participate in the Special Olympics starting tomorrow.
India is sending medical supplies to support Ukraine, but no military supplies. Some reasons, imo, are contracts for military stuff from Russia, and Ukraine as well.
While Western media propaganda calls support for Ukraine "worldwide", it is lukewarm in some of those supporters. Serbia has pretty good normal relations with Russia, as does Turkey, while both object to annexation of new territories. Like China, Russia has stuff going on all over the world that helps other countries somehow. Nuclear power plant construction, desalination projects mining interests. Globalism is just messy so far as all that goes. And many of those countries have governments that for whatever reason object to the US dominance.
We have weakened ourselves with the debacle in Afghanistan. We have tried to help Iran but can claim no actually benefit for our efforts in global political respects.
As something of an "Old Asia Hand", I expect Xi to help pick the bones of Russia if Putin falls. I mean, I expect military occupation of a large part of Siberia by China. It's prudent, long-term need. Putin needs China more than China needs Putin.
Kazakstan will become a China ally and sell oil to China, like Iran does. China will be a much bigger problem for us.
In the short term, I think Xi still expects Taiwan to join his league, along with Korea. Our hope to ring China with allies and contain it is very much weakened by our diplomatic gaffs in Eastern Europe.
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I am bringing up this thread again, and don't intend to offer any further comments on the other Russia/Ukraine thread.
I will be reporting off-topic or merely personal insult crap in here as something that should be banned.
Today I went again to China news (government approved, I note) for information. Not thesame information, exactly, that you will get in our now-politicized press or the UK press. China is saying that the US pressure on china being exerted financially and otherwise is harming the US/China relation. The US does not want China to give any help to Russia, but the US is jpromising to give more military crap to Ukraine. China is taking the posture of helping to end the conflict by negotiations.
It looks to me like Russia did not go in with a plan to just take over Ukraine completely, but then what do I know, really. I think Putin is disappointed to discover his own troops don't really want this war. Our media will not tell the truth about the various things we have done that were provocative for this war.
With the collapse of the former Soviet Union, Russia sought assurances, and got them, that there would be no NATO expansion towards Russia. Our media calls Putin's remarks about this "Russian Disinformation", but it exists in documents prior to Putin. NATO has become an agressor party in places like Yugoslavia, an instigator of wars. (https://www.jstor.org/stable/23607664). Russia has cause to be concerned about NATO operations. And that is what Putin has been concerned about.
theconversation.com
This thread is based on the postulate that there is a reason why "our" cartelists, who are massively influential in our media and politics, want a handle on Russian oil, at the very least to prevent it from getting to market. We have denied Russia access to technology that would greatly increase Russian production. We have claimed a false (I could do another thread with massive information backing this claim) theory about man-made global warming. With the Arctic melt off, something that has happened before within this interglacial warm period, Russian media has been countering the "Western" narrative with science to the contrary and with pics of people fishing mammoth tusks from the thawing Arctic muck. Within the past 20000 years, those areas were grasslands that huge mammals could graze, without even the muck, before a sudden drop in temps took it back to ice. Not a new ice age, just a few thousand yearfs of colder temps and a return to ice. A real ice age is likely coming.
But what the hell. John D. Rockefeller said "Use theirs first" and so we have to go get the Russian oil, own it outright, and use it quick. That's what war is all about.
I will be reporting off-topic or merely personal insult crap in here as something that should be banned.
Today I went again to China news (government approved, I note) for information. Not thesame information, exactly, that you will get in our now-politicized press or the UK press. China is saying that the US pressure on china being exerted financially and otherwise is harming the US/China relation. The US does not want China to give any help to Russia, but the US is jpromising to give more military crap to Ukraine. China is taking the posture of helping to end the conflict by negotiations.
It looks to me like Russia did not go in with a plan to just take over Ukraine completely, but then what do I know, really. I think Putin is disappointed to discover his own troops don't really want this war. Our media will not tell the truth about the various things we have done that were provocative for this war.
With the collapse of the former Soviet Union, Russia sought assurances, and got them, that there would be no NATO expansion towards Russia. Our media calls Putin's remarks about this "Russian Disinformation", but it exists in documents prior to Putin. NATO has become an agressor party in places like Yugoslavia, an instigator of wars. (https://www.jstor.org/stable/23607664). Russia has cause to be concerned about NATO operations. And that is what Putin has been concerned about.
Ukraine war follows decades of warnings that NATO expansion into Eastern Europe could provoke Russia
Lost in the outrage over Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is the fact that many in the West have long warned that widespread NATO expansion into Eastern Europe could spark just such a conflict.
theconversation.com
This thread is based on the postulate that there is a reason why "our" cartelists, who are massively influential in our media and politics, want a handle on Russian oil, at the very least to prevent it from getting to market. We have denied Russia access to technology that would greatly increase Russian production. We have claimed a false (I could do another thread with massive information backing this claim) theory about man-made global warming. With the Arctic melt off, something that has happened before within this interglacial warm period, Russian media has been countering the "Western" narrative with science to the contrary and with pics of people fishing mammoth tusks from the thawing Arctic muck. Within the past 20000 years, those areas were grasslands that huge mammals could graze, without even the muck, before a sudden drop in temps took it back to ice. Not a new ice age, just a few thousand yearfs of colder temps and a return to ice. A real ice age is likely coming.
But what the hell. John D. Rockefeller said "Use theirs first" and so we have to go get the Russian oil, own it outright, and use it quick. That's what war is all about.
China news generally deplores the Ukraine war and takes the position that it should be ended by negotiations.
news.cgtn.com
The issue does contain a sort of insinuation that the US is doing stuff that aggravates the conflict.
Today, officials from Poland and some other Eastern European countries are goingto Kiev to meet with Ukranian officials in support of Ukraine's independence. The hope that there will be a negotiated settlement is the recoginition on all sides, Russia included, that there will still be an independent Ukraine.
If Ukraine goes into NATO, you can bet Russia will become more nationalistic, and that the bad discipline and morale of Russian troops will be entirely transformed in the future.
The news in India today is that India and Russia are talking trade. India buying Russian oil. China will also be buying Russian oil. Bidens gambit to buy Iranian oil will be at a price in terms of Saudi relations for sure.
Russia, Ukraine resume fourth round of talks after 'technical' pause
The fourth round of negotiations between Russia and Ukraine resumed on Tuesday via video link, a day after the two sides announced a break for a "technical pause."
news.cgtn.com
The issue does contain a sort of insinuation that the US is doing stuff that aggravates the conflict.
Today, officials from Poland and some other Eastern European countries are goingto Kiev to meet with Ukranian officials in support of Ukraine's independence. The hope that there will be a negotiated settlement is the recoginition on all sides, Russia included, that there will still be an independent Ukraine.
If Ukraine goes into NATO, you can bet Russia will become more nationalistic, and that the bad discipline and morale of Russian troops will be entirely transformed in the future.
The news in India today is that India and Russia are talking trade. India buying Russian oil. China will also be buying Russian oil. Bidens gambit to buy Iranian oil will be at a price in terms of Saudi relations for sure.
Tickled my funny bone:
