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tell you what, when I give you the "All Clear" signal, we'll be done with useless wars.
WWIII, The Mother of all Oil Wars, Shaping Up
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tell you what, when I give you the "All Clear" signal, we'll be done with useless wars.
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We'll never be done with useless wars. They've raged for centuries and will never stop until a meteor ends it for us or the sun decides to call it a day.
The human condition will always seek power and influence - it's just a matter if we were lucky to live through it.
Short response here.
The Devil is always in the details, and in the heads of whoever will listen.
One of my informative movies is "Eagle in a Cage", about Napoleon in exile on St. Helena. Seems the Brit Foreign Secretary wanted to make a deal to get Napoleon back on the job of running shitshield for Britain, keeping all contenders at war with one another. Offered contacts with appropriate banks to fund his new campaigns.
I think this goes back further though.
I don't think the Brits have ever fully recognized the Chinese. There is a saying about an "Old Asia Hand" depicting a westerner who has lived there long enough to understand the oriental mind. We have never had, either ourselves or Britain, comprehended China. Anyone who thinks they are "Communist" is just wrong. Anyone who thinks they will ever be a compliant member of a Western-centered global system is just wrong. Neither will there ever be "Democracy" in Asia.
The Western Civilization phenomena is as a whole exceptional, as is the Judeo-Christian tradition. Never can be one without the other.
"Classical Liberals" whom I admired some decades ago have been displaced. Bill Clinton sold out the dems conclusively. They cannot be reformed to actually believe in human rights or American principles of governance.
Russia's buildup of military along borders with Ukraine made the news last night. Biden is demanding the Russians back away. Biden is not objecting to fascist, actually NAZI-linked movements active in Ukraine. Biden is impudently insisting his son's Ukranian/NAZI oil company Burisma get the European contracts for natural gas and oil, and not Putin's Russian oil supplier,. A few weeks ago, Biden threatened sanctions on companies participating in the building of the Russian oil/gas pipelines to Europe, all while he has effectively shut down oil pipeline construction in the US.
Hunter's Burisma must have a better price and the monopoly in Europe. This is very important to US national interests. Burisma and Hunter are all-important US interests. The US military must be activated and prepared and in place to protect Busisma and Hunter's interests.
Meanwhile, China is doing daily demonstrations over Taiwan and Japanese waters around the islands once peopled with Formosan (related to Filipino) natives.
This kind of distorted foreign policy signals that China can do what China wants, while we harass Putin and ally ourselves with NAZI political ideologues in Eastern Europe. Biden's s Buddies.
Biden's Buddies in China are actually operating slave labor and political suppression camps, butchering unwanted human minorities and selling the body parts to US medical providers.
At stake are the world's largest oil resources, more than the whole world of developed resources located in Siberia's "North Slope".
If we engage in a provocation against Russia, like the whole NATO/NAZI Ukrainian play went down in 2014, it would leave Siberia open to Chinese aggression. Putin has tired to appease the Chinese by doing a deal to build a pipeline to China. A concession to China which in no way really assures that China would not just go up there.
Hunter's Burisma must have a better price and the monopoly in Europe. This is very important to US national interests. Burisma and Hunter are all-important US interests. The US military must be activated and prepared and in place to protect Busisma and Hunter's interests.
Meanwhile, China is doing daily demonstrations over Taiwan and Japanese waters around the islands once peopled with Formosan (related to Filipino) natives.
This kind of distorted foreign policy signals that China can do what China wants, while we harass Putin and ally ourselves with NAZI political ideologues in Eastern Europe. Biden's s Buddies.
Biden's Buddies in China are actually operating slave labor and political suppression camps, butchering unwanted human minorities and selling the body parts to US medical providers.
At stake are the world's largest oil resources, more than the whole world of developed resources located in Siberia's "North Slope".
If we engage in a provocation against Russia, like the whole NATO/NAZI Ukrainian play went down in 2014, it would leave Siberia open to Chinese aggression. Putin has tired to appease the Chinese by doing a deal to build a pipeline to China. A concession to China which in no way really assures that China would not just go up there.
Current news developments:
www.express.co.uk
www.rand.org
I think it fair enough to state that the two links here above are not Russian-sanctioned sources. However, note the reported Russian allegation of "Fascist" forces behind the Ukrainian "provocation" Russia alleges.
George Soros.
No, George Soros does not carry an assault rifle. He sends in operatives with sacks of cash.
The Russian complaint comes down to a violation of the nuclear treaty regarding the nuclear assets belonging to Russia in Ukrainian territory. We (NATO and the West/US promised "hands off" in Ukrainian politics. We essentially conceded that the "Independent": Ukraine government would be influenced by Russia and that we would not contest that influence.
When "Fascist" interests allied with George Soros sent in operatives to help remove the pro-Russian Ukrainian President and install their own puppet, Putin responded in political rhetoric to his own political base in Russia that the so-called "New World Order" or "New Law" was actually a worthless promise and tantamount to "No Law" and "No Order" where the world was being run by street thugs, gangs subject to no intentions to honor any treaties. He argued that he must act to protect Russia from these gangs.
The pro-Western "Fascist" Ukrainian President has been replaced by a professed "moderate". The guy who tried to fight corruption, who offered information to Trump and Trump's supporters, who was sliced and diced by our media for doing so. Our Foreign Policy Establishment wonks/officials did a conclusive operation to convince him any outreach to Trump would be suicidal. This Ukranian President has since changed his spots, and began the provocation by building up Ukranian forces and declaring his intention to rescue DonBas from the pro-Russian/Russian supported forces inside Ukrainian territory.
And that is why we have this building situation threatening war.
Biden won the US election. Ukrainian interests are being promoted by the White House/US/NATO. And Hunter Biden is sitting at the tipping point. US Foreign Policy made to accommodate specific personal interests in a corrupt foreign company. Russia is being forced out of Europe in economic terms, being forced to seek other foreign allegiances. The Syria and Iran allegiances. The China pipeline.
But imo, this is a Western provocation from the git-go and is aimed at sequestering Russian oil development or outright takeover of those interests, perhaps through a Chinese oil company with technologically-important ties to Western Oil cartels.
ya know, someone probably lost their standing the CFR for using a phone to get Joe Biden on the record bragging about using his Vice-Presidency to force the Ukrainian government to stop the prosecution of corruption inside Ukraine, and now the investigation is stopped and the crooks control Ukraine, and are behind the provocation/buildup in DonBas and the Biden threats against the Russian pipeline company, giving the Ukrainian crooks the monopoly in Europe.
The CFR is always just that slimey and corrupt while pushing cartel and business Bigs' interests with government power through the thousands of CFR members in government positions to do so.
That's how the World is. That's what Global Governance is.
And Putin would be smiling ear-to-ear if somehow it was all working in his interest. He's as corrupt as Hillary or Biden himself, and as interested in the better world so many imagine as "Progressive". It's just the nature of the Beast that every war must have some kind of winner and some kind of loser, even the "Just" wars drummed up by the ProgressiveMedia.
The Spanish/American War in 1898 was incited by that Progressive Media. The US entered a new phase of Imperialist usefulness, more than just "Manifest Destiny" trimming Mexico's vast wilderness holdings and California. We took Cuba and the Philippines. Arguably, we did alright with the Philppines and they are today one of the most pro-American countries in the world, but we let communism rule Cuba. Sure, we have millions of Cuban refugees who are some of our most influential conservatives today. Look at Mercedes Schlapp. Gorgeous and Articulate, the brains behind Matt.
Our Oil Bigs just might really think Putin has to go, because he squeezed out foreign corporates and took a really nationalistic stand for Russia. He is probably hated much like Trump, for some of the same reasons.
Trump was really stepping into a sensitive pile trying to go after Biden and the Ukrainian Crooks. Russia was really smiling and hoping, and whatever else Trump did or may have done, Putin was hoping for a better deal.
Putin ‘one step from war' - Will Russia invade Ukraine and spark WW3?
EUROPE could be blasted into a full-blown war if tensions between Vladimir Putin and Ukraine don't die down soon, a former US ambassador to Russia has warned.
www.express.co.uk
The Ukrainian Crisis and European Security
If the Department of Defense is tasked with helping NATO build a more robust deterrence and defense posture in Eastern Europe, the U.S. Army and Air Force will need to revisit planning assumptions that have minimized U.S. military commitments to that region since the end of the Cold War.
www.rand.org
I think it fair enough to state that the two links here above are not Russian-sanctioned sources. However, note the reported Russian allegation of "Fascist" forces behind the Ukrainian "provocation" Russia alleges.
George Soros.
No, George Soros does not carry an assault rifle. He sends in operatives with sacks of cash.
The Russian complaint comes down to a violation of the nuclear treaty regarding the nuclear assets belonging to Russia in Ukrainian territory. We (NATO and the West/US promised "hands off" in Ukrainian politics. We essentially conceded that the "Independent": Ukraine government would be influenced by Russia and that we would not contest that influence.
When "Fascist" interests allied with George Soros sent in operatives to help remove the pro-Russian Ukrainian President and install their own puppet, Putin responded in political rhetoric to his own political base in Russia that the so-called "New World Order" or "New Law" was actually a worthless promise and tantamount to "No Law" and "No Order" where the world was being run by street thugs, gangs subject to no intentions to honor any treaties. He argued that he must act to protect Russia from these gangs.
The pro-Western "Fascist" Ukrainian President has been replaced by a professed "moderate". The guy who tried to fight corruption, who offered information to Trump and Trump's supporters, who was sliced and diced by our media for doing so. Our Foreign Policy Establishment wonks/officials did a conclusive operation to convince him any outreach to Trump would be suicidal. This Ukranian President has since changed his spots, and began the provocation by building up Ukranian forces and declaring his intention to rescue DonBas from the pro-Russian/Russian supported forces inside Ukrainian territory.
And that is why we have this building situation threatening war.
Biden won the US election. Ukrainian interests are being promoted by the White House/US/NATO. And Hunter Biden is sitting at the tipping point. US Foreign Policy made to accommodate specific personal interests in a corrupt foreign company. Russia is being forced out of Europe in economic terms, being forced to seek other foreign allegiances. The Syria and Iran allegiances. The China pipeline.
But imo, this is a Western provocation from the git-go and is aimed at sequestering Russian oil development or outright takeover of those interests, perhaps through a Chinese oil company with technologically-important ties to Western Oil cartels.
ya know, someone probably lost their standing the CFR for using a phone to get Joe Biden on the record bragging about using his Vice-Presidency to force the Ukrainian government to stop the prosecution of corruption inside Ukraine, and now the investigation is stopped and the crooks control Ukraine, and are behind the provocation/buildup in DonBas and the Biden threats against the Russian pipeline company, giving the Ukrainian crooks the monopoly in Europe.
The CFR is always just that slimey and corrupt while pushing cartel and business Bigs' interests with government power through the thousands of CFR members in government positions to do so.
That's how the World is. That's what Global Governance is.
And Putin would be smiling ear-to-ear if somehow it was all working in his interest. He's as corrupt as Hillary or Biden himself, and as interested in the better world so many imagine as "Progressive". It's just the nature of the Beast that every war must have some kind of winner and some kind of loser, even the "Just" wars drummed up by the ProgressiveMedia.
The Spanish/American War in 1898 was incited by that Progressive Media. The US entered a new phase of Imperialist usefulness, more than just "Manifest Destiny" trimming Mexico's vast wilderness holdings and California. We took Cuba and the Philippines. Arguably, we did alright with the Philppines and they are today one of the most pro-American countries in the world, but we let communism rule Cuba. Sure, we have millions of Cuban refugees who are some of our most influential conservatives today. Look at Mercedes Schlapp. Gorgeous and Articulate, the brains behind Matt.
Our Oil Bigs just might really think Putin has to go, because he squeezed out foreign corporates and took a really nationalistic stand for Russia. He is probably hated much like Trump, for some of the same reasons.
Trump was really stepping into a sensitive pile trying to go after Biden and the Ukrainian Crooks. Russia was really smiling and hoping, and whatever else Trump did or may have done, Putin was hoping for a better deal.
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Just considering my "Election Fraud" thread last spring,where I stated that the Dems wojuld need about 10% extra votes to win, I have to wonder if Obama/Hillary/Marc Elias come here to read my stuff. Dammit, they did.
Now, despite cool guys who are all about international trade routes and shipping schedules, who of course don't think any war will affect their business, there is a hotter press now about the Ukraine/Russia tilt now than when I started this thread.
Back in the 1980s I was reading some Army training stuff where they were doing war games in the Mideast deserts. I tell ya, al lot of our stuff is game planned. I think the 2020 election was, and the Bush War in Iraq. Even Afghanistan.
Putin's supersonic computer programmed long range low altitude missiles flew under the Obama radar, supposedly....., until Trump. Sounds like game planned again. Damn Trump just didn't go with the game. Now we're back to our little provocation war with Russia. This game gets us on base in Russia's oil, with a huge contribution to our Dem dictatorship personnel.
I hear that if NK launces a missile at us, we are 100% able to just knock them off over the Pacific. And we can do the same with Russia's new missiles. But almost as important as the oil control, "we" get rid of one Head of State who has been a pain in the *** for wanting to root our political "deals" like what the whole damn world runs with. Almost as much of a nuisance as Trump Himself.
ho hum. Another bowery war. But we lose 15k trailertrash boys, patriots all. Trump voters mostly. Ukraine loses about 400k total, Russia 20k.
A minor population bomb win, a major Oil Acquisition. Putin will stay in power. He's a player. A good player. Almost as good as Obama.
Now, despite cool guys who are all about international trade routes and shipping schedules, who of course don't think any war will affect their business, there is a hotter press now about the Ukraine/Russia tilt now than when I started this thread.
Back in the 1980s I was reading some Army training stuff where they were doing war games in the Mideast deserts. I tell ya, al lot of our stuff is game planned. I think the 2020 election was, and the Bush War in Iraq. Even Afghanistan.
Putin's supersonic computer programmed long range low altitude missiles flew under the Obama radar, supposedly....., until Trump. Sounds like game planned again. Damn Trump just didn't go with the game. Now we're back to our little provocation war with Russia. This game gets us on base in Russia's oil, with a huge contribution to our Dem dictatorship personnel.
I hear that if NK launces a missile at us, we are 100% able to just knock them off over the Pacific. And we can do the same with Russia's new missiles. But almost as important as the oil control, "we" get rid of one Head of State who has been a pain in the *** for wanting to root our political "deals" like what the whole damn world runs with. Almost as much of a nuisance as Trump Himself.
ho hum. Another bowery war. But we lose 15k trailertrash boys, patriots all. Trump voters mostly. Ukraine loses about 400k total, Russia 20k.
A minor population bomb win, a major Oil Acquisition. Putin will stay in power. He's a player. A good player. Almost as good as Obama.
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mods. you could merge this thread with straight's Putin threatening Ukraine thread.
Just to bring it all up to date.
Biden called Putin a cretin, a killer, then caved. He removed the opposition he raised to the Russian pipeline.
There will, apparently, be no single cartel delivering gas from the east to Europe. Hunter's connections will still get to do their business.
The political fight over Ukraine has moved a step closer to Ukraine becoming a NATO member, but Germany and a few other countries are getting snuggy with Putin.
The very nature of NATO is in question. If Ukraine gets in, it will be owned by Western interests unlike other Eastern European nations. Germany, France, Denmark, Italy would invite Russia to join as well as Ukraine.
And that would make sense to balance crazy man Xi.
Just to bring it all up to date.
Biden called Putin a cretin, a killer, then caved. He removed the opposition he raised to the Russian pipeline.
There will, apparently, be no single cartel delivering gas from the east to Europe. Hunter's connections will still get to do their business.
The political fight over Ukraine has moved a step closer to Ukraine becoming a NATO member, but Germany and a few other countries are getting snuggy with Putin.
The very nature of NATO is in question. If Ukraine gets in, it will be owned by Western interests unlike other Eastern European nations. Germany, France, Denmark, Italy would invite Russia to join as well as Ukraine.
And that would make sense to balance crazy man Xi.
So, I'm bumping my thread.
Oil is a big problem, like coal. Too much of it. Too hard to securely control it. But it is only a problem if "we" don't own it, and if "we" don't own "our" governments. "We" in this case being descdriptive of oh maybe less than a hundred real big people. The few, the arrogant, the corrupt Insiders, whoever they are from day to day. Yes, there's attrition in those ranks, and some shifting characters as well. Some die, some just get sidelined.
If you're dreally ah so smart and really believe this planet has too many little people, and we're running outta gas and running outta carbonate rock to make cement with, and running outta pristine retreats....... well, you must have not yet been to Siberia. But nevermind. Demand destruction is the wet dream for cartelists who don't want to work so much.
At any rate, every high brow intellect knows there's so much more fun going on at the Thai beach resorts, and it would be oh so nice to just stay there a month. At a time. All the time.
Meanwhile, for what competition can be a nuisance, a war kills several birds all with one stone. Too many people, too many governments, too many troublemakers, too many competitors.. Just hafta have a war once in a while.
Utah's Grand Staricase has enough coal to run the world for 500 years. You can run electric generators and clean the emission streams (scrubbers) to the point of having better rainwater downwind. You can make oil, diesel, gasoline, kerosene, jet fuel. In the 1970s, coal ended the oil crisis. Because you just can't charge more for oil than it costs to convert coal to oil.
But hey. Demand destruction. Why bother with so many people.
LikeRobert Redford said when he got his little grant from the Forest Service for his ski resort. "I've got mine. Now shut down the shop and go home, we don't need another ski resort."
So, I bumped my thread. Germany had to get the gas pipeline finished so they could burn clean gas and "go green". Joe follows orders. The Rockefeller Circle believes in the doctrine "Use Theirs First". gonna take a helluva long time to empty Russia's gas fields. We're gonna go to wind and solar and nuke electric, but only because all this stuff is Rockefeller Country too, now.
We''ve got a mining boom going. The Rocks now own the mines too. Copper, all that electric stuff.
There's just too much oil. We have to give it all a bad name or make it impossible to explore or produce. Nuke Russia, maybe.
That's what is playing in the heads of our Establishment cronies.
We''ve got a mining boom going. The Rocks now own the mines too. Copper, all that electric stuff.
There's just too much oil. We have to give it all a bad name or make it impossible to explore or produce. Nuke Russia, maybe.
That's what is playing in the heads of our Establishment cronies.
So rather than starting a new thread, or asking for a thread merger, I am taking my comments to this one. Some people have their own dedication to their views, and they can just keep them in their own little bubble I suppose. This thread can justly be jtermed "Babe's Bubble" or somesuch if anyone thinks so, but my purpose is to avoid propaganda and unsupported claims if possible,or at least to put conflicting views in the same frame.
I am not a member of the CFR but I have lived all my life under the shadow of gossipping members of the CFR, working for several of them, relatedto others, and neighbors to others. I subscribe to their magazine Foreign Affairs.
Here is an article that I think is pretty good, but does not do justice to the Russian position still. Biden is a member of the CFR, and his groupies and/or team are largely members. The views you find in this sourcce will be controlling US Foreign Policy, except for perhaps restricdted disclosures being acted up as "intelligence". I think our intelligence is unfortunately "bought and paid for" by "interests", and does not serve the US people very well.
But this is still good reading.....
www.cfr.org
I am not a member of the CFR but I have lived all my life under the shadow of gossipping members of the CFR, working for several of them, relatedto others, and neighbors to others. I subscribe to their magazine Foreign Affairs.
Here is an article that I think is pretty good, but does not do justice to the Russian position still. Biden is a member of the CFR, and his groupies and/or team are largely members. The views you find in this sourcce will be controlling US Foreign Policy, except for perhaps restricdted disclosures being acted up as "intelligence". I think our intelligence is unfortunately "bought and paid for" by "interests", and does not serve the US people very well.
But this is still good reading.....
War in Ukraine | Global Conflict Tracker
Understand the war in Ukraine and track the latest developments on the Global Conflict Tracker from the Center for Preventive Action.
Here's the CFR analysis of the dispute, historically.
www.cfr.org
Looking at Russia's proposed new treaty, the questions become, fundamentally, whether or not we want to impose severe new conditions on Russia that would logically require Russia to build up it's military to maintain its security. Whether we are talking nukes or more conventional weapons. I think the concerns are reasonable and need to be addressed.
The larger risk for us is the breakup of the UN, with China and some other countries leading a new world union.
We just can't afford Biden or Soros bringing down the UN tent.
And while the CFR is making it sound like our promises were just vague remarks, you have to just know our State Department and diplomats are lying to us, for no good reason. I wonder if this boondoggle is meant to be just another phase in the takedown of the US while imposing on us fascist government.
Why NATO Has Become a Flash Point With Russia in Ukraine
Russian leaders have watched with mounting resentment as the transatlantic alliance has nearly doubled its membership since the end of the Cold War. President Vladimir Putin has drawn a red line in U…
www.cfr.org
Looking at Russia's proposed new treaty, the questions become, fundamentally, whether or not we want to impose severe new conditions on Russia that would logically require Russia to build up it's military to maintain its security. Whether we are talking nukes or more conventional weapons. I think the concerns are reasonable and need to be addressed.
The larger risk for us is the breakup of the UN, with China and some other countries leading a new world union.
We just can't afford Biden or Soros bringing down the UN tent.
And while the CFR is making it sound like our promises were just vague remarks, you have to just know our State Department and diplomats are lying to us, for no good reason. I wonder if this boondoggle is meant to be just another phase in the takedown of the US while imposing on us fascist government.
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