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Yesterday - Bundy Ranch

Gordon help you, you couldn't be more wrong.



Ugh. You had me until you linked Alex Jones. Not really, but I was at least a tiny bit interested. Next time, just copy and paste; leave out the tinfoil hat guy. Please?



What did Mike Lee do? I hate that guy with a burning fire that Satan himself is jealous of. Give me another reason to spite him, please?

Nothing major.. but being investigated for doing a short sale of his home to a campaign contributor (leaving the bank short on the note, benefiting the campaign contributor, and then leasing a home from the contributor at a rate that is being implied as looking like a favor).
 
Ugh. You had me until you linked Alex Jones. Not really, but I was at least a tiny bit interested. Next time, just copy and paste; leave out the tinfoil hat guy. Please?

I was only intending to share the link to the 'actual quotes'... but I understand.
 
U.S. District Court Judge Robert C. Jones has written a scathing report of the BLM actions over the past couple decades as a conspiracy and criminal. (and he is weighing in on the Bundy situation)

I read the 104 page finding of Wayne Hage, but have linked an article for cliff notes.

https://www.infowars.com/federal-judge-blm-engaged-in-a-criminal-conspiracy-against-ranchers/

This judge is very conservative and known to legislate from the bench a bit. He purposefully drug his feet on the “none of these candidates” ballot option in order to keep republicans in power, and to assure the 2 party system continues on in Nevada. He's hardly what I'd call a man of the people.
 
This judge is very conservative and known to legislate from the bench a bit. He purposefully drug his feet on the “none of these candidates” ballot option in order to keep republicans in power, and to assure the 2 party system continues on in Nevada. He's hardly what I'd call a man of the people.

All I was showing was a judge that strongly accused officials of the BLM to be criminally conspiring against this rancher to get his land and water.
Not sure how you can say that Bundy should leave because a judge said so, yet say this judge's ruling is any less valuable.

And if you don't like this judge it's your fault if you didn't vote in NV for an alternative. ;)
 
Nothing major.. but being investigated for doing a short sale of his home to a campaign contributor (leaving the bank short on the note, benefiting the campaign contributor, and then leasing a home from the contributor at a rate that is being implied as looking like a favor).

A pretty concise statement.

Lee also failed to support the restoration of the Glas-Stegall Act, obviously because he's trying to make up with the banking crowd. . . .
 
A pretty concise statement.

Lee also failed to support the restoration of the Glas-Stegall Act, obviously because he's trying to make up with the banking crowd. . . .

Sometime you and I will have to discuss all this stuff I've uncovered while investigating the Bundy situation.
 
Mike Lee is an ***.

But he's white, republican, and Mormon so he'll easily be reelected.
 
All I was showing was a judge that strongly accused officials of the BLM to be criminally conspiring against this rancher to get his land and water.
Not sure how you can say that Bundy should leave because a judge said so, yet say this judge's ruling is any less valuable.

And if you don't like this judge it's your fault if you didn't vote in NV for an alternative. ;)

It's nothing like that, and I get the critique from that angle. It's a fully valid point.

The only reason I mentioned that was to show that the guy might have an agenda. I have little patience for political agendas, especially from people with authority. I could be wrong about him, but I don't think I am.


Edit to add: I actually intend to read the guy's 150 page thesis.
 
Offhand, it appears to me that a mere lay person, not a legal professional, might need a few days to prepare a brief on a case like this. Usually, judges will give real lawyers weeks if not months to prepare their case.

About all I know about LAW is this: If the law is on your side, argue the law. If the facts are on your side, argue the facts. If neither the law nor the facts are on your side, attack your opponent.

It already seems to me that PKM is on to some stuff I don't know about yet. . . . .

In the Hage case, the BLM conducted a roundup of cattle in Nevada with about fifty pairs of boots on the ground. Locals gathered to protest, but the cattle were taken and sold. The case ground through the legal system for now twelve years that I've known about it. . . . The courts determined, as I understand it, that the Hages were due compensation for "taking" of water rights and cattle, which has not been paid yet. It has cost millions to litigate. Few ranchers can afford to put up that kind of money. The govt has, apparently, an unlimited war chest to drive the folks off the land.

Have you, by any chance, read much about Agenda 21 or looked at the map of the United States, as it is planned, with all the "natural" lands projected????

I read you as a person of great capacity for disingenuous professions when you feel you are somehow much better equipped with the right views than most others. . . . As, for example, in your past statements about how the writers of the Constitution don't know as much as enlightened lawers and judges do today. You prefer the view, I'd surmise, that our contract between States which authorized the Federal Government in the first place, is somehow an obsolete agreement because you, and others of like arrogance, just know better how everything should be done.

I find the arrogance of courts who proudly advertise themselves as dishing out "Administrative Law" pretty pathetic. Not content with being mere judges, such institutions have in many areas become in effect legislative institutions as well. Most federal agencies today have such "Adminstrative judges", courts in the pay of the agency, just as they have their own swat teams, troops, armed agents, etc etc etc.

In the simple words of the Constitution, the American people are in any matter exceeding $20 in value, entitled to a jury trial, where the jury is common citizens. . . . and that was with the solid understanding under British Common Law, that a jury could find a law unjust. . . .

In the words of Abraham Lincoln, the issue of the day is whether a nation conceived in liberty can long endure, and the fight is to determine whether government of the people, by the people and for the people will prevail in this nation, or for that matter on this earth.

There have always been sophists living in the conceits of their own minds that they know best for everyone. It's a hard thing to be both smart and humble, both talented and appreciative of the talents of others. . . .

Human rights have been the exception, the rarity, on this planet. There have always been a few people who have acquired great power, and used it to decimate the populations around them. Today it's the folks like Prince Phillip and Maurice Strong who are in every way pushing for reducing world population to a target they themselves say is "One Billion, or less" worldwide human population.

Governments worldwide have been hijacked by these thinkers, these expansive world planners, through numerous movements, agendas if you please. . . . It has been going on through the progressive era.

If they are "right", in terms of their assessments of the problems, they are not "right" in their measures.

The bottom line fact is human population can only increase if technologies and resources are available to sustain it. The fundamental truth about life, about all kinds of life, is that overpopulation is pre=programmed strategy embraced by practically all nature, and it is functional and necessary in all nature that this happens continually. . . . it means there is a fundamental selection process in nature that determines what will live, and what will not. It's function is genetic hardiness. . . . weeding out defects in reproduction. . . .maybe as a hedge against changing conditions, giving diversity a chance to cope with change. . .

We do not need a few totalitarian megalomaniacal "planners" interfering in nature's processes. If anything, they will endanger nature with their mistaken notions. Just like we really don't need the pollution these very persons, under their corporate shells, have generated and dumped on us, either. They created the problem, don't trust them to "fix" anything.

Running ranchers off the Western range is the goal of this set. Western range-fed cattle depress the profits of the big feedlot/packer cartelists, for one "set" of "interests", but the policy in broad terms is all about reducing the "carbon footprint" as well as the population of the Earth. And hey, wink wink, don't be surprised if there aren't some folks "in the know" who have something to gain from it all.

So, as far as I'm concerned, having a lot of eggheads around spouting stuff like how we don't need limits on government power anymore, because. . . hey hey. . . . some of us really know what to do with everything. . .. . is even more evil now than it was when it was just a few political appointees lording it over the colonists.

It's about human life, and human freedom now more than it ever was.

Whoa
 
Mike Lee is an ***.

But he's white, republican, and Mormon so he'll easily be reelected.

I could see a racist writing something like:

Barack Obama is an ***.

But he's black, democrat, and Muslim (:p) so he got reelected.

Good thing I'm not racist and would never write something like that.
 
It's nothing like that, and I get the critique from that angle. It's a fully valid point.

The only reason I mentioned that was to show that the guy might have an agenda. I have little patience for political agendas, especially from people with authority. I could be wrong about him, but I don't think I am.


Edit to add: I actually intend to read the guy's 150 page thesis.

I welcome you to call me and I'll explain what I have learned. Political agendas isn't even close to the description I would use to describe what's really going on here.
 
It would be kick *** to here what you know from an inside perspective. I can imagine how frustrating it is to not be able to share everything on a public forum.

I'll try to read that report tomorrow and give feedback, if any.
 
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