Yesterday - Bundy Ranch
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HighlandHomie
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Nice post. The additional content is appreciated.
I'd say anyone who doesn't "get it" is not reading much, or maybe still a long way from getting the context generally, or possibly just the same kind of marginal intellect they suppose Cliven Bundy to be.
I have supposed from other comments over the past years that you are actually employed as an antropolist, as a scientiest studying Anasazi cultural sites on the Arizona Strip. You obviously care for the principle of integrity in government agencies, for having incorrupt adminstration in public affairs. Having experience in the Strip, you would certainly know some of the ranchers in the area who hold large grazing preferences in the area of Poverty Knoll, Mt. Trumbull, maybe in the Grand Wash. Mt. Trumbull was known as Bundyville, because of the attempt made by clan patriarch Abraham Bundy to settle there.
I have outed myself already, early in this thread, as a formerly conceited person who thought the Bundys were the archetypical backwoods/desert hinterlands yayhoos, though I confessed it came back to bite me when my chief and best-known example turned up with a college degree and became my boss. . . . though he was responsible for the decision to hire me, and gave me a good deal at that. . . I had to learn to let those mistaken prejudices become a thing of the past.
Here is an apparent liberal with the kind of decent intellect and basic principles of fairness and good sense, with a fairly good blog on the importance of focusing the discussion on intelligent concerns about how to do the best thing for the specific area.
My former boss was a grandson of Abraham Bundy whose father lived on a site on the rim of the Grand Canyon called "water pockets". According to the story my former boss told, his grandpa came from the Southern Nevada settlements and tried to farm at Mt. Trumbull during the wet decade or so in the early nineteen hundreds, as related in this blog. The Virgin River Mormon settlements in Southern Nevada do date to around 1870.
https://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/26/1294892/-Bundyville-and-the-Arizona-Strip#
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Not employed in any such way.. just a 3rd generation of what has been a family passionate about American Indians and their study.
As to the linked article. How would Bundy presume claiming lands due to Mormonism as a better argument than another avenue?
Brigham Young sent Mormons to help fight the Mexicans on behalf of the Federal US Army, and helped win the land, so far as Mexican territorial claims may go. . ..He also was the "governor" of "Deseret", claiming for "Deseret" the specific lands where he sent his colonist Mormons to settle. The Mormon settlers were a communal order who first made grazing use of the land south of Bunkerville/Mesquite/Virgin and east of St. Thomas Mormon settlements. Brigham Young also organized corporate cattle operations under the direct ownership of the LDS Church.
When I was growing up in St. George, and went over to the Pipe Springs National Monument that commemorates the early Mormon grazing in that district, there was some talk about how overgrazing facilited erosion that may have cut through the geologic rock base that kept some water in the area and made the grass grow much more abundantly prior the over-grazing. I used to criticize this operation under Brigham Young as an example of lack of understanding and foresight that resulted in permanent destruction of the grazing value there. I dreamed of damning the deep gullies and restoring the aquifer base. . . .
The Great Basin Kingdom is a good book about the early Mormons in the area. . . .
Have there been any court cases arguing the Mormon claim to property rights stemming from the above described?
I doubt it, but I don't know. The Federal government sent "Johnson's Army" to Utah in 1857, and occupied the territory militarily while letting BY go on being "governor". Come to think of it, a whole lot of property in Utah probably goes back to BY days and his administration. I know my SLC home goes back to that. Nobody ever disputed his plat maps for SLC nor his distribution of lots. During the Civil War, while BY declared Utah for the Union, Abraham Lincoln still stationed Federal Troops in Utah, and so far as I know took no conscripts from here for the war. Californians marched back through Utah to help save the Union. Then the Feds started stationing appointed carpetbag "governors" in Utah hostile to the populace, and the Federal legislature passed unconstitutional acts seizing all Mormon property, even the Salt Lake Temple, and such. . . . Finally, after the Mormon Church struck up relations with the Chase/JPMorgan banker clique and took some big loans, a way open up for Utah to become a State. About that time, the Rockefellers somehow came out on top in the mining business and opened up the Kennecot Copper pit, and such. The Queen of England effectively owns Rio Tinto today. . . . and Mormons "play the game" with the Feds, setting up establishment political advocates like Mitt Romney, and hell yeah, even Harry Reid is a Mormon. So are some Vegas Casino operations are heavily-invested in by the LDS Church.
I'd think the best way to approach this case is by acting as an ordinary, regular American and claiming no other sort of rights.
So you're a dick to yourself? I don't get it. Or are you saying that as soon as you wake up you're a dick to everyone around you?