Yesterday - Bundy Ranch
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The Forest Service and BLM are staffed mostly by ordinary Americans following administrative policies they didn't make up. Some of the expansions of government power over state territory have been enacted by Congress and signed by Presidents, and sustained by Supreme Court Judges. But there is a whole lot of "administrative rules" and "department policies" that don't go through that process at all. In fact, the BLM has it's own police force, armed and trained like a paramilitary organization with an "Us vs. Them" mentality, the mentality of an occupation army seizing hostile territory. The BLM and Forest Service even have their own "Administrative Judges", like many other federal agencies. What this all amounts to is that Federal Agencies act independently of the people of this country, and in the service of a few powerful "elites" who have visions of how best to manage the land and the people, who are in no sense "elected representatives". What we have ion our hands in this country is a whole bunch of little fascist dictatorships with lots of guns on the ground.
Until Congress realizes we won't put up with this kind of government, and the President thinks better about how to "execute" the laws, and until the Judges put their little pinkies out in the wind and realize that we won't tolerate them ignoring fundamental Constitutional provisions for a government held in check and held accountable to the people, this is the real issue of human rights today. This kind of arrogance by government agencies has got to be ended.
The only reason most people put up with it is because our media is in the tank with the elites and the managerial crowd of knowitalls who are all too willing to assert more power than the people should tolerate them having. If more people lived in direct contact with the BLM and FS. . .. and many other fed agencies. . . . they would soon see the pattern I'm talking about. And not very many of you would really want it, if you knew it as it is.
Hantlers
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The only time I've actually mentioned the Homestead Act was in response to somebody else who brought it up.
Then you brought it up, and when I respond to it, you reply by saying that it's not the issue. You brought the damn issue up!
In this world, it's hard to know what is a genuine issue arising from public sentiment, and what is sorta staged by some sort of "false flag operation", or "rogue agents" or organized psy-ops with political agendas. . . . .
So here's a rule for ya'll. If the folks really are carrying guns, it's less than even odds they are truly grass-roots. They are "false flags" working to explode the tensions, probably cells organized under the FBI or HSA, or whatever. . . .Stay away from them.
So here's a rule for ya'll. If the folks really are carrying guns, it's less than even odds they are truly grass-roots. They are "false flags" working to explode the tensions, probably cells organized under the FBI or HSA, or whatever. . . .Stay away from them.
That really doesn't mean it has been explored to it's fullest extent... all it means is he's tried twice.
How is it not about homesteading? Clearly there's some big brother oppressive government style shenanigans going on, and the drama llama's can have their day with that.
How is this any different than the herding of the Native Americans on to reservations?
In the light of the above, I reserve judgment. . . but here are some stories I know about, reliably. . ..
Some Forest Service personnel in Nevada have been booby-trapped in remote locations. I think there have been fatalities. The FS has illegally destroyed old roads to make land qualify for "wilderness designation". The BLM has done operations like the Bundy raid before, as has the Forest Service. Some of these disputes have resulted in new legislation by Congress imposing oversight on the Federal Agencies.
I think this case has been selected for dramatic purposes, and by the government agencies, to push back. Likely, what is wanted is a whole lot of wild rednecks running around with guns to justify the need for the use of government force.
Some Forest Service personnel in Nevada have been booby-trapped in remote locations. I think there have been fatalities. The FS has illegally destroyed old roads to make land qualify for "wilderness designation". The BLM has done operations like the Bundy raid before, as has the Forest Service. Some of these disputes have resulted in new legislation by Congress imposing oversight on the Federal Agencies.
I think this case has been selected for dramatic purposes, and by the government agencies, to push back. Likely, what is wanted is a whole lot of wild rednecks running around with guns to justify the need for the use of government force.
The Homestead Act is relevant, but as an example of Congress acting to restrict people rights by actual regulation, where prior to that nobody questioned the right to settle land, or the right to claim grazing range, for that matter.
♪alt13
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I think the flip side to this is that there are probably people that would show the bundy's support against the blm because they would like to get hold of public land. If we do ever get rid of the blm I hope Utah keeps most, if not all, of the land public. It is an important resource for ranchers and having access to nature for the regular Joe.
#wideopenspaces
This fight is being taken over and is turning into a corrupt government v. the people arguement. This land dispute is just one log in that fire.