Yesterday - Bundy Ranch

[Dr. Jones]

Btw, my wife is probably THE MOST connected person to the situation. We have 7 guys down there that are using our home as base. She is getting pics, video, and updates from no less than 100 people right now. Probably averages an update every 5 minutes.

 

[TroutBum]

^ Interesting.

Politician thinking it's not the politician's fault but those that voted for them. lol

I want to be clear I'm not attacking Trout, btw.

I would hope that since you were a supporter of my campaigns that you know I am far from a politician. I have first hand knowledge about apathetic voters who are happy to show up and complain when something affects them, but could give two ****s the rest of the time. I spent over three years trying to get my community to stand up and be proud, and for all of my efforts, we turned in one of the lowest voter turnouts in the state. I would have bet you all the tea in China that we would have had a top-ten number in voter turnout based on what the people would say to me when I knocked their doors. Alas, the comfy computer chair won, again.

Blaming the elected officials is like blaming the fire for burning down your house, and excusing the kid who was playing with matches in the living room.

 

[Stoked]

Btw, my wife is probably THE MOST connected person to the situation. We have 7 guys down there that are using our home as base. She is getting pics, video, and updates from no less than 100 people right now. Probably averages an update every 5 minutes.

My wife is attempting to follow along via FB, youtube, friends and family that are there (or have been) and what articles/reports there are.

 

[Hantlers]

Of course, but how much attention would your cause get? That's the question man. Trust me, there are thousands of people in the continent protesting for a given issue at this moment, but nothing is being done, and minimal media coverage is given. So the trade-off is this: Would you rather compromise much of your message in order to get it syndicated nation-wide across news-networks? Or would you rather stay true, but risk the fact that no one outside your local-area will ever hear about it?

No, I would not compromise the message. That's what gets people confused, what skews things. You gots to keep your priorities in order. If it's just the attention you want, then what are you fighting for? If you're willing to skew your message to get more attention, then perhaps the message you want to get out isn't that important anyways.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I would hope that since you were a supporter of my campaigns that you know I am far from a politician. I have first hand knowledge about apathetic voters who are happy to show up and complain when something affects them, but could give two ****s the rest of the time. I spent over three years trying to get my community to stand up and be proud, and for all of my efforts, we turned in one of the lowest voter turnouts in the state. I would have bet you all the tea in China that we would have had a top-ten number in voter turnout based on what the people would say to me when I knocked their doors. Alas, the comfy computer chair won, again.

Blaming the elected officials is like blaming the fire for burning down your house, and excusing the kid who was playing with matches in the living room.

I don't know.. is it the non-voter's fault? Or is it that every elected official gets persuaded by special interest groups, lobbyists, elites??

What's the head?

 

[franklin]

Free speech zones are ridiculous, but this ridiculousness has been around for decades now. And with the current makeup of the Supreme Court, they're here to stay, since none of those clowns give a damn about the Constitution or liberty.

And since when do cops think they have some sort of right to not be filmed in public?

These judges are some of the most fervently pro-Constitution and liberty people in the nation. It's basically their job description.

The saddest thing about what you just said (besides the fact that you buy into all of the "secret agenda" ********) is that you blame the government and the judges for what is going on, or for what you perceive is going on. News flash for all of you government haters, it is your vote, or more likely, your lack of a vote, that put all of these bad guys in the positions of power. Everyone is super quick to blame everyone or anything related to the government, but those same people will balk like Dwight Gooden with a man on third if you bring up actually "getting involved".

I think most our politicians are pretty damn good people and well intentioned. A lot of Americans are spiteful little bitches who cast judgment on politicians because they're too damn stupid or lazy to try and understand the complex decisions these folks have to make. Politicians make plenty of mistakes, but they're usually well intentioned mistakes.

 

[Deleted member 848]

No, I would not compromise the message. That's what gets people confused, what skews things. You gots to keep your priorities in order. If it's just the attention you want, then what are you fighting for? If you're willing to skew your message to get more attention, then perhaps the message you want to get out isn't that important anyways.

That's an overly-idealistic way of thinking about it. I'll let you ponder it some more. Logical processes like these don't always pan out in the real-world-- particularly in a fight when the person you're taking on is significantly more powerful than yourself.


In the mean-time, I'l head back to my finals-studying. I'll try to keep up with the progression of this.

 

[Hantlers]

That's an overly-idealistic way of thinking about it. I'll let you ponder it some more.


In the mean-time, I'l head back to my finals-studying. I'll try to keep up with the progression of this.

Call it as you may, I'm just responding with what I would do.

At the end of the day, none of this happens if Bundy just paid his damn fees.

So if I'm going to blame anybody, I'm gonna blame him.

 

[Dr. Jones]

No, I would not compromise the message. That's what gets people confused, what skews things. You gots to keep your priorities in order. If it's just the attention you want, then what are you fighting for? If you're willing to skew your message to get more attention, then perhaps the message you want to get out isn't that important anyways.

Not really responding to this post, per se, but jumping in..

So we got started in this thing about 3 weeks ago. Have visited the family twice.

This new chapter BEGAN as a concern for the feds jumping the gun and murdering the Bundy family. (I know that sounds crazy, but it is what it is)
Then, as more people started showing up in support, it became an "us vs. them" thing and where I largely lost interest in participating... as it's dumb.

Some of these guys down there REALLY think they can 'win.' Retarded.

It's kind of sad how this has come to be.. and I hope it soon ratchets down.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Gun checkpoints are now set up by state police. (NV)

 

[TroutBum]

I don't know.. is it the non-voter's fault? Or is it that every elected official gets persuaded by special interest groups, lobbyists, elites??

What's the head?

I know that you don't think that every elected official gets persuaded by SIG's, so why bring it up? The non-voter is the biggest factor, again, in my opinion. I think it would be fun to ask the militia people down there who they voted for as their state senators and congressmen. I'd bet a dollar to a hole in a donut that more than half didn't even vote in the last election, and yet, there they are complaining and fighting about the government that they were too lazy to change themselves. I could be wrong, maybe they all voted, but... Ya.

These judges are some of the most fervently pro-Constitution and liberty people in the nation. It's basically their job description.

Holy ****, this. x10.

I think most our politicians are pretty damn good people and well intentioned. A lot of Americans are spiteful little bitches who cast judgment on politicians because they're too damn stupid or lazy to try and understand the complex decisions these folks have to make. Politicians make plenty of mistakes, but they're usually well intentioned mistakes.

If more people bothered to get involved -- even at the lowest city levels -- this would be common knowledge. Franklin speaks absolute truth.

 

[♪alt13]

That's an overly-idealistic way of thinking about it. I'll let you ponder it some more. Logical processes like these don't always pan out in the real-world-- particularly in a fight when the person you're taking on is significantly more powerful than yourself.


In the mean-time, I'l head back to my finals-studying. I'll try to keep up with the progression of this.

Maybe you could make this argument if the extra attention was helping his message. I don't think this is the case. I also think these people are probably adding fuel to the fire to the anti-gun crowd. Now that Mr. Bundy has the medias attention he has the opportunity to gain some legitimacy by publicly asking the militias to leave. Hopefully he sees it that way because most people will have forgotten about the controversy in a weeks time.

What changed after Waco? A dude lost his job. These people are not going to change anything until first convincing the American public and that takes time, lots of it. A standoff in the desert is a pointless pissing contest.