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Yesterday - Bundy Ranch

I'm a new presence here, and I fear the quick reprisals of many of you - there's a boisterous lot here, and I like you - but maybe I can share my two bits anyway. Many years ago my wife and I inhereted an un-improved plot of land out in the mountains about 50 miles northwest of Price. It was a raw place, bearing only a few scars from what appeared to be a brief attempt at homesteading there many years before us. Not too far down the hill, however, a family had been making a pretty good go at ranching. I didn't feel like it was my place to say anything, but they seemed to be pretty aggressive with the land, and I feared they may be misusing it by over-extending it. Anyway, it had always been my sense that a man should handle his land as he wished, so I never said anything about it. But, soon cheat grass started running up over the hill and onto my property - upsetting the subtle balance between things as I had come to understand them - out-competing other plants.

Anyway, through this whole experience I actually came to understand the follies of thinking about land as privately owned. What each man does affects others. What my neighbors' cows did, affected the system of life I was struggling to know. And life really is complex. I hope there are people who can be more fully dedicated to understanding its nuances than I could be, and to let us know about the good practices they discover.

Many years later, i looked up what these folks seemed to think about people like my neighbors, and it appears that it has long been known that his actions were deleterious. And it appears that most folks still don't know this. What this whole Nevada fiasco teaches me, is that we all have no good way of spreading the news.
 
I'm a new presence here, and I fear the quick reprisals of many of you - there's a boisterous lot here, and I like you - but maybe I can share my two bits anyway. Many years ago my wife and I inhereted an un-improved plot of land out in the mountains about 50 miles northwest of Price. It was a raw place, bearing only a few scars from what appeared to be a brief attempt at homesteading there many years before us. Not too far down the hill, however, a family had been making a pretty good go at ranching. I didn't feel like it was my place to say anything, but they seemed to be pretty aggressive with the land, and I feared they may be misusing it by over-extending it. Anyway, it had always been my sense that a man should handle his land as he wished, so I never said anything about it. But, soon cheat grass started running up over the hill and onto my property - upsetting the subtle balance between things as I had come to understand them - out-competing other plants.

Anyway, through this whole experience I actually came to understand the follies of thinking about land as privately owned. What each man does affects others. What my neighbors' cows did, affected the system of life I was struggling to know. And life really is complex. I hope there are people who can be more fully dedicated to understanding its nuances than I could be, and to let us know about the good practices they discover.

Many years later, i looked up what these folks seemed to think about people like my neighbors, and it appears that it has long been known that his actions were deleterious. And it appears that most folks still don't know this. What this whole Nevada fiasco teaches me, is that we all have no good way of spreading the news.

I'd disagree. We have excellent ways of spreading the news, better than ever before. With satelite and cable TV, internet and social media people can get the word out to hundres, thousand and millions wihtin minutes. The problem is not that we do not have the ability. It is that no one wants to hear the message. America has become a society that follows the drama and action. A fed stand off with militants, potential war in Ukraine and charges of racism capture the headlines and reports on soil preservation/management and other non exciting stories get over looked and ignored.
 
I'd disagree. We have excellent ways of spreading the news, better than ever before. With satelite and cable TV, internet and social media people can get the word out to hundres, thousand and millions wihtin minutes. The problem is not that we do not have the ability. It is that no one wants to hear the message. America has become a society that follows the drama and action. A fed stand off with militants, potential war in Ukraine and charges of racism capture the headlines and reports on soil preservation/management and other non exciting stories get over looked and ignored.

Stoked, I'm sorry if I wasn't specific enough at the tail-end of my post there. I meant to talk about the news of the deleterious environmental impact of ranching in the southwest. My neighbor didnt seem to know, and the folks there at Bundy ranch didn't seem to know. And before Fixed brought it up, you all didn't seem to know (or care). It seems to me that if we had a good way of spreading the news, then this wouldn't be the case. You're welcome to disagree, of course.

Anyway, as a younger man I participated in some local politics and I always got bewildered when national or international politics stormed in, and we lost track of what was important to understanding and caring for our place. It seems like that kind of bewilderment is happening at several spots in this story - even in this thread. I hope folks figure out how to care for one another, and for the land that cares for them.
 
I had so many quotes ready to respond to but ran out of energy after reading the last several pages. Exhausted.

Don't let Fixed affect how you post, PKM. I too am interested in your response regarding the original story before it veered off into the Fixed/NAOS soapbox.
 
Stoked, I'm sorry if I wasn't specific enough at the tail-end of my post there. I meant to talk about the news of the deleterious environmental impact of ranching in the southwest. My neighbor didnt seem to know, and the folks there at Bundy ranch didn't seem to know. And before Fixed brought it up, you all didn't seem to know (or care). It seems to me that if we had a good way of spreading the news, then this wouldn't be the case. You're welcome to disagree, of course.

Anyway, as a younger man I participated in some local politics and I always got bewildered when national or international politics stormed in, and we lost track of what was important to understanding and caring for our place. It seems like that kind of bewilderment is happening at several spots in this story - even in this thread. I hope folks figure out how to care for one another, and for the land that cares for them.

Hantlers knew. Please ask him.

Nope, I ate some turtle. Tastes like beef.

My conspiracy theory grows firmer.
 
What a whiner. After all of that you neg me for thinking bigb stating "fixed ruined it" was an ironic statement?

So sensitive. I won't even bother negging you back. pointless

I was honestly surprised to have not received a neg rep from him.


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