Yesterday - Bundy Ranch

[VINYLONE]

Also, in regards to the latest Bundy revelations, **** Cliven Bundy. I don't know if he's a racist but the guy is definitely a bigot of the highest order. His lack of belief in self determination for a segment of the population says to me that he does NOT believe in the tenets of the US Constitution. He does not believe in inalienable rights or in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. His argument that the "Government" is somehow out of line in this current scenario loses all credibility in my eyes when he speaks of one person owning another human being as a viable option.

You either believe in the truth and the rights of man, all men, or you don't.

 

[babe]

You still missing the point here? 56 pages and you still don't see anything other than black and white(see the sly racist joke there... I'll write it out since I don't feel like you're going to get it)?

Yes, he's breaking the law. No ****, sherlock. I've already said as much in this thread.

Should the law be a law?
Should the Federal government be enforcing this law, or should it be the states rights?
If any government is at the helm, should they be bringing in armed military and special forces units?

Not necessarily out of the three above, pick any one route and follow it to it's end. You'll see issues everywhere.

Maybe I'm going to far... maybe you just consider yourself a redneck and take offense to me imaging all rednecks as racists.

If that's the case, my apologies. I'll throw out the disclaimer that not all rednecks are racist, just the vast majority of the ones I've met.

That being said, he has more of a right to it than the federal government does to tell him no.

I actually basically agree with most of this post, except the last line. . . .

 

[Harambe]

I actually basically agree with most of this post, except the last line. . . .

So, the fact that his family has been there using and improving the land after the federal government told his family to go homestead it for 140 years means less than chumps on capital hill deciding that BLM should manage the land?

 

[Mission Accomplished]

I would recommend watching the Daily Show Jon Stewarts take on the hypocrisy of the right is so spot on. This is just a fake drummed up right wing wackjob with his American flag pins talking about how he doesn't recognize the United States of America. He deserve to be behind bars he has lost court cases. He has chosen not to pay his cattle grazing fees. Jon Stewart rightly points out that our founders passed the whiskey act of 1791 and then enforced with force. Quit watching Fox News and the $^$% that they are cramming down your throats.

 

[Mission Accomplished]

So, the fact that his family has been there using and improving the land after the federal government told his family to go homestead it for 140 years means less than chumps on capital hill deciding that BLM should manage the land?

He doesn't own the land. He has chosen not to pay his fees. I don't think he should profit off of his lack of dignity. He is worse than a welfare rancher he is a criminal. He is the Sidney Lowe of ranchers.

 

[Stoked]

I would recommend watching the Daily Show Jon Stewarts take on the hypocrisy of the right is so spot on. This is just a fake drummed up right wing wackjob with his American flag pins talking about how he doesn't recognize the United States of America. He deserve to be behind bars he has lost court cases. He has chosen not to pay his cattle grazing fees. Jon Stewart rightly points out that our founders passed the whiskey act of 1791 and then enforced with force. Quit watching Fox News and the $^$% that they are cramming down your throats.

Oof...

 

[BabyPeterzz]

Is there any possible way that his racist opinions and his opinion on government overstepping and oppression are linked? I see a lot of posters trying to separate the two, but they are in fact closely connected.

 

[Stoked]

Is there any possible way that his racist opinions and his opinion on government overstepping and oppression are linked? I see a lot of posters trying to separate the two, but they are in fact closely connected.

I can see a possible disatisfaction with the government being fueled by what he feels is preferential treatment.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Also, in regards to the latest Bundy revelations, **** Cliven Bundy. I don't know if he's a racist but the guy is definitely a bigot of the highest order. His lack of belief in self determination for a segment of the population says to me that he does NOT believe in the tenets of the US Constitution. He does not believe in inalienable rights or in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. His argument that the "Government" is somehow out of line in this current scenario loses all credibility in my eyes when he speaks of one person owning another human being as a viable option.

You either believe in the truth and the rights of man, all men, or you don't.

Repd.


And I'm ignoring Mission because he's not taken the time to read the thread.. not that I blame him for that.
(Won't respond to any of his posts from here on, though)

 

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Is there some sort of news aggregate I can go to if I want to catch up on this story? Anybody have any links they'd suggest?

 

[Stoked]

Is there some sort of news aggregate I can go to if I want to catch up on this story? Anybody have any links they'd suggest?

The Las Vegas Review has had a couple articles on this. Then it is just scattered. LA times, Fox News, NY Post...

 

[Harambe]

I would recommend watching the Daily Show Jon Stewarts take on the hypocrisy of the right is so spot on. This is just a fake drummed up right wing wackjob with his American flag pins talking about how he doesn't recognize the United States of America. He deserve to be behind bars he has lost court cases. He has chosen not to pay his cattle grazing fees. Jon Stewart rightly points out that our founders passed the whiskey act of 1791 and then enforced with force. Quit watching Fox News and the $^$% that they are cramming down your throats.

And I get that. All of that. I'm the last one you need to worry about watching Fox news. Ok.. maybe Thriller. But still.

The whiskey act was enforced with force. But should it have been? If in 1791 the country had already gone through a Vietnam, Korean conflict, two Iraq conflicts, and a war on terror with pictures of dead babies and civilians from each and every one of those wars/police actions, would John Q. Public still have rolled over and just let it happen?

But wait.. even in 1791 they didn't just let it happen. 4 rebels, 13 soldiers, and 2 civilians lost their lives over it.

It's an entirely different world now. To compare the two just doesn't quite work. I love Jon Stewart, and I think he's a million times better than Colbert.. but that doesn't mean he's always right.