Yesterday - Bundy Ranch

[Stoked]

And you're under the impression that all you have to do is work hard and you'll get everything you've ever wanted?

How white are you exactly?

I'm not. But there is no substitute for hard work either

 

[Harambe]

What constitutes "improvement"?
By the way, we've learned a lot about land since 1862.

Srs, I'm very interested in these two bits of your posts I've quoted. I'd really like to hear your founding principles for these arguments.

Well sure! Here's the wikipedia on Land Improvement

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_improvement

I'm absolutely sure that the definition now, and the definition then are vastly different.

 

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Well sure! Here's the wikipedia on Land Improvement

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_improvement

I'm absolutely sure that the definition now, and the definition then are vastly different.

This thread is so out of hand... so let me get this straight...
You think Bundy is improving the land? What's your evidence?

 

[Harambe]

I'm not. But there is no substitute for hard work either

And I get that.

Here's a link: https://www.themarysue.com/neil-degrasse-tyson-race-gender-science/

Basically, Tyson(a "hero" of mine), was asked what genetic differences make men more likely to be in science. He has no idea about being a woman, but "feels ya" with Race. There's really no way to tell genetic differences holding some back or propping others up until we have a social system that promotes everyone getting a fair chance.

Long story short; if you or your sex, race, sexuality are socially ignored, neglected, or outright abused, there's a bigger hole you gotta dig yourself out of. Therefore, the hard work of someone with out a hole(middle to upper class white male) gets you a lot further than the hardwork of, for continuities sake, a dirt poor Native American.

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

Straight from the horse's mouth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbnRnhrNFEY

 

[VINYLONE]

**** you, Cliven Bundy. He's just another good ol' boy with generational ignorance rooted in the belief of white superiority. He's a simple **** of a dinosaur.

 

[Harambe]

This thread is so out of hand... so let me get this straight...
You think Bundy is improving the land? What's your evidence?

This is actually a fair question. Thank you for that.

The only thing I've got to go off of is his word, what he's said in an interview earlier in the month, but I'm having trouble sifting through all the BS right now.

One moment

edit: Found something

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cliven-bundy-ancestral-rights

"I've lived my lifetime here. My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley here ever since 1877. All these rights that I claim, have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and the water and the access and range improvements,"

"My rights are before the BLM even existed, but my rights are created by beneficial use. Beneficial use means we created the forage and the water from the time the very first pioneers come here," Bundy said.

I can't see exactly what he's done, I can't find anything that he, or his family has detailed, only that he's done it by creating undisclosed "range improvements"

Now, the side of the half truth. His family has not been in the area since 1877... his maternal grandmothers family had begun grazing there since 1877. Now that pisses me off, but is just politics... as usual.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

I can say common sense dictates that it's hard to improve a specific plot of undeveloped desert/steppe land when it's being grazed by 1000 cattle...

 

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I can say common sense dictates that it's hard to improve a specific plot of undeveloped desert/steppe land when it's being grazed by 1000 cattle...

this is my loud and prevailing sense of things, too.

And, if this is, in fact, true... then it really hurts any argument against "grandfathering" out of fees. IMO.

 

[Mission Accomplished]

If his family does get ownership of the land due to the homestead act. Don't you think it should have happened by now. And then this would be a whole different topic if they were kicking him out of his own land. To me squatting doesn't make you an owner and if you are using the land that is great as long as you pay your dues if not then you are breaking the law.

 

[Stoked]

I can say common sense dictates that it's hard to improve a specific plot of undeveloped desert/steppe land when it's being grazed by 1000 cattle...

Not really, this is a very large area. The cows will also drift away from loud noises and construction. Such as building water tanks and dirt roads.

 

[Harambe]

If his family does get ownership of the land due to the homestead act. Don't you think it should have happened by now. And then this would be a whole different topic if they were kicking him out of his own land. To me squatting doesn't make you an owner and if you are using the land that is great as long as you pay your dues if not then you are breaking the law.

If they are going to proceed with this, then that's what they should have done in the first place, imo. You owe back taxes, they take your house. Why does he still have his ranch?