You're the GM this offseason. What do you do?

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  1. NUMBERICA

    NUMBERICA Well-Known Member

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    We wouldn't be "giving" them savings. Trades work because both parties gain what they are looking for.
     
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  2. NUMBERICA

    NUMBERICA Well-Known Member

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    The Jazz wouldn't be giving him away. They'd be trading him for a player they want more (as they should).
     
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  3. NUMBERICA

    NUMBERICA Well-Known Member

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    Anyway, here's a good article:

    "The Utah Jazz are reportedly expected to initiate offseason trade talks with the Memphis Grizzlies about Mike Conley after failing to acquire the point guard before the NBA trade deadline in February.

    Kevin O'Connor of The Ringer reported the update Wednesday, noting "multiple league sources said this week that the Jazz are expected to make another push" for the veteran guard.

    Conley bounced back from an injury-plagued 2017-18 campaign to average a career-high 21.1 points along with 6.4 assists, 3.4 rebounds, 2.2 threes and 1.3 steals in 70 appearances this season. Among point guards, he ranked sixth in ESPN's player efficiency rating and ninth in ESPN's real plus-minus."
     
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  4. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    It isn't an easy call but chill on calling things foolish... Crowder is really replaceable. He doesn't shoot it well and is okay on defense. Sign Demarre Carroll or Jared Dudley to the minimum to replace him.

    You include Dante and Jae to clear $15M to upgrade in other places. I'd rather use that money on Jamychal Green and another piece or Rudy Gay or Niko.

    Exum hasn't been able to stay on the court and hasn't been good very often when he is on the court... currently he is bad money... has a chance to remedy that, but I wouldn't say it's a good chance. If he was a free agent is he getting 2 years and 18M? Gonna go ahead and say nope. I realize we are "selling low"... but cutting bait with a bad investment is great business... feeding a money pit has some real costs.

    It really all comes down to how you feel about Conley as a player... I've always liked him and he just came off of what could have been his best year, but he had zero support. He's just the type of player that helps you win at the highest levels. Think he has a lot of good basketball left. We may not get him for the price I outlined because another team may very well beat that offer... I really like him... you clearly don't.
     
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  5. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    He's never had good wings... he's had coaches that weren't like savants... I just wonder if he could either increase his volume or become even more efficient in an intelligent system with shooting and a great diving big.
     
  6. Carbon13

    Carbon13 Well-Known Member

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    Yes
     
  7. David Stern

    David Stern Well-Known Member

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    I don't think the Conley rumor is coming from the Jazz's side. Tony would be talking about Conley more if that were true.
     
  8. LoPo

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    It is foolish to trade Crowder if we don't have to. If we trade Crowder and then let Favors walk in order to get Conley, guess what we have to go do? Go find a guy as good as Crowder and another guy as good as Favors. That's a whole lot easier said than done.

    This whole Conley idea is so flawed. How much longer does he have at a high level? Are we really going to pay $70 million over two years for a guy who was never an All Star? Does adding him guarantee us anything much better than what we've already had?
     
  9. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    I'm not sure guys really know how good that mother effer was last year... he was in the top 7-10 pgs... does so much of what we need...

    Runs pick and roll
    Shoots well from outside
    Is a mid range assassin and his floater is just deadly... all that in between stuff that DM sucks at Conley is like top notch
    Takes care of the ball
    Good defender

    If Exum was the holdup for reals we screwed up.

    Conley is in the same tier as Kemba… Kemba is more durable but a worse defender. The per36 raw numbers are close but Mike is more efficient...Kemba is asked to do more, but plays in a worse conference. If we got the Mike Conley that played last year, with and improved DM I think we are right there... would need a break or two but we'd be right there.
     
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  10. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    Jae is a below average shooter and an average defender. The whole idea of including him is to provide some additional value (they don't have to keep him) and to use that space to get an upgrade. He does not have to be in the deal but I'm not convinced there is a lot of excess value on his contract.
     
  11. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    Really so all star games is what we need to measure the guy... he's played at an all star level but happens to be in the western conference so yeah he isn't an all-star like D'Angelo Russell but neither is Rudy so is he worth his contract? It's strange you are pro paying Exum $19m over the next two years but Conley's 67M is a problem.
     
  12. Jingled

    Jingled Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    Just stop. There's not a single GM in the league that would take any combination of the guy's you've listed over Mike Conley.
     
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  13. LoPo

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    At some point, we have to realize who we are. Through a lack of talent, we have persevered due to the chemistry and heart of the team. Throwing away guys like Thabo and Udoh are understandable. They are overpaid and past it. Rubio is tough because we love him for being such a great guy and teammate. Much can be said for Favors.

    We talk casually about just making/letting those guys walk. Two starters and two other key components to the lockerroom. Now, there is talk of just dumping a 5th guy in Crowder who fits the same mold as the other 4. If it's not worth it, then we shouldn't do it. Dumping Crowder to Memphis so we can add Jamychal Green? We are risking more than we should.

    We can get Conley without having to dump Favors, Rubio, Thabo, Udoh AND Crowder. At some point, we have to show respect to some guys who love wearing our jersey.
     
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  15. Wes Mantooth

    Wes Mantooth Well-Known Member

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    The old way was fine.
     
  16. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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  17. Handlogten's Heros

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    Green is better than Crowder... we can find other good guys... many vets have come and gone and have good things to say. It doesn't have to be Green... it would clear some space to shop for Green and another player or one guy who is a clear upgrade.

    We don't have to keep every guy that likes it here. It isn't Siberia... it isn't for everyone sure but let's not act like Jae is changing the narrative on Utah. Rubio is already gone Thabo and Udoh too... so if we want to pass on improving and just keep Favs and Crowder then let's do that... it will stagnate the franchise... sometimes you have to risk good to get great.
     
  18. LoPo

    LoPo Well-Known Member

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    You are so dramatic. We can keep Favors and Crowder and still add talent which helps make us progress. Even if we keep Favors at his ridiculous $18 million for next year, we still have $20 million if Korver retires.

    Change is coming. It doesn't have to be change everything, but change is coming.

    Oh, and Green isn't better than Crowder and most importantly, we don't have Green.
     
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  19. Wes Mantooth

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    Foolishly trading picks for Gerald Wallace was inexcusable. They started to suck and had no picks to make up for it.

    This is different. Certain teams like the Knicks, Suns, Cavs and Bulls have their picks. All four teams actually seem to attempt to be building their teams wisely and they have talent. The Knicks drafted three young guys last year who contributed and have others like Smith and Dotson too. Barrett and one (or two) big FA would do wonders there. The Suns have Booker and Ayton and showed some signs of improving the last couple months. Zion would’ve been perfect there. The Bulls have Lauri, Lavine, Carter, and some other youngsters to try to build around. One stud would’ve expedited the process.

    These teams are not train wrecks and are running well right now for the most part. Heck even the Kings are too. Most teams have picked up on how to be prudent with available cap money and make smarter moves than they have in the past. And since the NBA is a sport where 1-2 studs ona team means a winning culture for years, it also means ones with no studs could struggle, especially in the West which is brutal. Some teams win a lot, some win and lose fairly equally, some lose a ton. Those who lose a ton lose for the most part because they lack the talent to succeed. The Pels weren’t one of those teams. They aren’t good. But they’re not a bottom dweller and didn’t deserve the pick.
     
  20. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    I'm not dramatic bruh... Green is better than Crowder... we can get talent with Favs and Crowder but we won't get anyone on Mike's level with that much. Will very likely still have spacing and playmaking deficiencies that will keep us in the 1st and 2nd round.
     

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