You're the GM this offseason. What do you do?

[infection]

I will be shocked if we don't keep Favors at this point. This front office just doesn't have it in them to cut the cord.

I’m imagining the FO is sitting around like a couple trying to decide what to eat for dinner, neither being very committal, but both wanting the other to suggest what it is that they’re secretly wanting. Or, everyone else wants to move forward, but DL is the one who’s really wanting his favorite restaurant, and they’ve already eaten there three times this week. He pretends like he’s interested in something new, but he keeps shooting down everyone’s suggestions, hoping that eventually someone will get a craving for his favorite place.

 

[Hotdog]

Still cant believe the disrespect for Favors around here.

The obsession with a 4 shooting threes is pretty dumb too. Its not a must. There are other ways to win.

You only get rid of Favors if it brings in someone significantly better. No one mentioned makes us that much better. What we gain with Tobias we also take a different kind of step back by letting Favors go.

Favors looked his absolute best last year and could get better.

Exum is the real problem with the roster. Fix that mess.

 

[Hotdog]

I think that if we could somehow get Jabari and keep Favors that is a whole lot better than bringing in Tobias on some outrages contract and losing Favors.

Jabari+Favors > Tobias 100% if the money is the same. That is an easy decision.

 

[Jingled]

Still cant believe the disrespect for Favors around here.

The obsession with a 4 shooting threes is pretty dumb too. Its not a must. There are other ways to win.

You only get rid of Favors if it brings in someone significantly better. No one mentioned makes us that much better. What we gain with Tobias we also take a different kind of step back by letting Favors go.

Favors looked his absolute best last year and could get better.

Exum is the real problem with the roster. Fix that mess.

Neither Crowder nor 36 year old Joe Johnson were better players than Favors yet lineup data shows that we were better with them at the 4 than Favors. We don't need to replace Favors with someone who is significantly better than he is, we need to replace him with someone who is a significantly better fit at the 4 next to Gobert than he is.

 

[infection]

Neither Crowder nor 36 year old Joe Johnson were better players than Favors yet lineup data shows that we were better with them at the 4 than Favors. We don't need to replace Favors with someone who is significantly better than he is, we need to replace him with someone who is a significantly better fit at the 4 next to Gobert than he is.

Nah. Ignore all that. Let’s reduce the argument down to “you just want someone who can shoot threes.”

 

[Hotdog]

Nah. Ignore all that. Let’s reduce the argument down to “you just want someone who can shoot threes.”

Neither Crowder nor 36 year old Joe Johnson were better players than Favors yet lineup data shows that we were better with them at the 4 than Favors. We don't need to replace Favors with someone who is significantly better than he is, we need to replace him with someone who is a significantly better fit at the 4 next to Gobert than he is.

My bad. I didnt know there was data to show what happens when Favors is off the team completely, or we have Conley + Favors, and our core had another year to get better, etc..

 

[NUMBERICA]

A few things are pretty clear to me:

1. The Jazz really like Favors
2. The Jazz aren't going to overpay for free agents this year
3. The Jazz will only let go of Favors if
a. A trade comes through that makes sense
b. good players (potentially like Thad or Mirotic) get squeezed by the market and you can pick up two of them in the space you get from waiving Favors

They arent going to be early players in free agency. They are going to sit on their hands (other than in trade talks) and wait for **** to settle and pick up the scraps. That's just the play this year unless DL can make some trade.

How are you going to find out who are “squeezed” before free agency actually begins?

 

[NUMBERICA]

The obsession with a 4 shooting threes is pretty dumb too. Its not a must. There are other ways to win.

Name the teams that pair two non-shooting bigs in their starting lineup. I’ll wait.

 

[Jack Strop]

How are you going to find out who are “squeezed” before free agency actually begins?

Most of the good FA's will have contracts in hand by the 4th. Remember how few FA's there were when Hayward waited until July 4th to sign? Don't have to make a decision on Favors until the 6th. Timing will be tight but I'm sure Lindsey will be able to gauge his options before keeping or waiving Derrick.

 

[idiot]

Name the teams that pair two non-shooting bigs in their starting lineup. I’ll wait.

No doubt the Jazz are different. (Yet somehow they're better than most teams, so the quality of the players rather than just the type of players makes a difference, of course). But I'm curious, what kind of data would you accept? Do you have a cutoff for number of 3 pointers or 3-pt percentage that would qualify?

 

[NUMBERICA]

No doubt the Jazz are different. (Yet somehow they're better than most teams, so the quality of the players rather than just the type of players makes a difference, of course). But I'm curious, what kind of data would you accept? Do you have a cutoff for number of 3 pointers or 3-pt percentage that would qualify?

Attempts primarily.

 

[idiot]

OK, certainly the Jazz are lowest by that criteria. And you have a point that the Jazz are much different than basically any other team (though I'm not sure anybody was trying to argue otherwise; it's the impact this difference makes that's the point of contention).

But I have found that:
- Golden State's preferred lineups (with either Cousins or Looney along with Green, shot terrible percentages from 3, with quite low number of attempts, particularly with Looney in place of Cousins, which I think everyone agrees is a better lineup)
- Sacramento's single best lineup (though not the most common), had almost as few attempts/minute as the Favors/Gobert combo (it featured WCS/Bagley). Though WCS may not be with the Kings coming up, it seems possible that the Kings could roll with a low-3 volume PF/C duo next season depending on what happens in free agency.