proposed trade for Harrison Barnes.

[Hantlers]

I think Barnes is capable of much more than his stats say he is. He's just on a team that already has a lot of great scorers.

At the same time, he's underachieved everywhere he's been, whether he's been the man or just a role player.

 

[Getting Traded]

Barnes has much better size than Booker and a back to the basket game. I actually think he's an ideal fit as a stretch 4 in the modern NBA.

And having the best defender in the game down low gives us more opportunity to play a guy like Barnes at the 4 at times. I actually think he's the sort of player we should be looking for.

I looked up their stats, and maybe they are wrong but Barnes is listed at 6-8 225 and Booker 6-8 240, though I think Booker is probably shorter than 6-8, but I think he is probably heavier.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

funny those that are talking about maxing middleton but you could extend Barnes by offering similar money. then locking up barnes for the next 5 years.

I agree barnes did well in the playoffs a few years back playing the stetch 4 something like close to 20 ppg.

Barnes would be eligible ( I believe) for the max under the 2016 cap projections unless you extended him. Which means his max will be 25-30% higher than Middleton's. And there will be many in the market that may max a guy like that because they have the space.

Add in the fact that he plays with the player who has the most gravity in the league and a player who is probably in the top 10 and factor that into his shooting. He is wide *** open when he shoots. Some may argue that it takes away from his opportunities, but he isn't an iso guy.

I think Carroll, Middleton, and Matthews are all better than him. Would rather make a run at those guys than pay 150 cents on the dollar for Barnes. We also may strike out in FA and then you try to extract Barnes by taking on Lee's salary.

 

[stitches]

I guess the question is when do you want us to spend and what we can get out of it? In general the best time to spend is this summer, since we will get discount in the long run on any deal we make, because of increasing cap space in the following year. If you think any of the top(or just below top-level) RFAs or UFAs would be willing to sign an offer sheet with us before they would be willing to sign with anybody else(and that their team wouldn't match), then you obviously go for them since you wouldn't be giving up assets. If not though, trading a pick on a team full of young players is not such a bad idea. You get a young player who still has room to grow but is already an established starter on one of the best teams in the league and also would give us what we desperately need - some shooting and some perimeter defense. And then again, matching him in 2016(or even better negotiating an extension this year) wouldn't be the worst thing to happen since the cap would boom and we'd have plenty of room to spend.

 

[Stifle Tower]

umm yeahhh.


Hell to the no on Barnes.


I would much rather keep Hayward at the three (where he's been ****ing magnificent, and been able to defend the likes of Melo and Lebron) than have him change his body, play out of position at the 2, and play ****ing Harrison Barnes at the three.

One of the best points that has been mentione. Hayward has CLEARLY bulked up and made himself into a SF. He COULD play SG (hell, he was even trying to guard Lillard at times), but why? Defensively he's been a stud against other SF's. I don't want to change one thing about what is becoming one of the best frontcourts in the league. If we do get a very good FA, it should be a starting SG or even a starting PG.

 

[NAOS]

I looked up their stats, and maybe they are wrong but Barnes is listed at 6-8 225 and Booker 6-8 240, though I think Booker is probably shorter than 6-8, but I think he is probably heavier.

don't get paranoid, but you're talking about the wrong Booker.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

So, let me see if I get this right....

I can have Harrison Barnes

or

I can have Devin Booker, DeMarre Carroll, and maybe enough left over to get Corey Joseph. (And I also don't have to cut ties with Trevor Booker).

We need depth as much as we need another key player. If we had a top-10 bench right now, and the season was just beginning, we'd be in the hunt for the playoffs.

Plus the GSW pick in 2017.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I guess the question is when do you want us to spend and what we can get out of it? In general the best time to spend is either this summer, since we will get discount in the long run on any deal we make, because of increasing cap space in the following year. If you think any of the top(or just below top-level) RFAs or UFAs would be willing to sign an offer sheet with us before they would be willing to sign with anybody else(and that their team wouldn't match), then you obviously go for them since you wouldn't be giving up assets. If not though, trading a pick on a team full of young players is not such a bad idea. You get a young player who still has room to grow but is already an established starter on one of the best teams in the league and also would give us what we desperately need - some shooting and some perimeter defense. And then again, matching him in 2016(or even better negotiating an extension this year) wouldn't be the worst thing to happen since the cap would boom and we'd have plenty of room to spend.

For one season, sure, we have money to spend. But don't forget Hayward and Favors will soon be up for new contracts and then Gobert. Matching a big contract in 2016 could land the team in serious financial straits by 2018 or 2019.

 

[b_line]

So, let me see if I get this right....

I can have Harrison Barnes

or

I can have Devin Booker, DeMarre Carroll, and maybe enough left over to get Corey Joseph. (And I also don't have to cut ties with Trevor Booker).

We need depth as much as we need another key player. If we had a top-10 bench right now, and the season was just beginning, we'd be in the hunt for the playoffs.

I like demarre better than Barnes anyways. Would rather sign him and keep our draft pick. I think our young guys have some growth left to do. Especially exum, and it looks like Burke might be turning into a rotation keeper since he started coming off the bench.

If we even get half as lucky as the Gobert pick, the. Keeping every single first founder for the next five years is worth it.

 

[stitches]

So, let me see if I get this right....

I can have Harrison Barnes

or

I can have Devin Booker, DeMarre Carroll, and maybe enough left over to get Corey Joseph. (And I also don't have to cut ties with Trevor Booker).

We need depth as much as we need another key player. If we had a top-10 bench right now, and the season was just beginning, we'd be in the hunt for the playoffs.

The question is do you really think you can have DeMarre Carroll and Corey Joseph with the whole league coming after them?

 

[Hantlers]

Apply this reasoning to enes kanter, but take a year down to like 3 months.

That's kinda where I was going with it. Kanter is quite a bit better, and people think he wasn't worth a lottery.

 

[♪alt13]

I was all for Paul Millsap as a 3. I don't think Booker has the skills needed. Lebron would torch Booker.

I'm looking at the whole team though.

Your options are

Exum
Hayward
Booker
Favors
Gobert

or

Exum
Jingles or Sapling
Hayward
Favors
Gobert

Anyway I'm kinda going off on a tangent and this discussion really doesn't belong in this thread.

 

[NAOS]

The question is do you really think you can have DeMarre Carroll and Corey Joseph with the whole league coming after them?

Indeed, that is the question.

Pass on Barnes, though.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I think Barnes is capable of much more than his stats say he is. He's just on a team that already has a lot of great scorers.

Carroll is starting on a team with FOUR all-stars-- one of which is either the best (or the 2nd best) three-point shooter in the NBA this season. Pls explain to me why Carroll can fit in more three-point makes than Barnes.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Indeed, that is the question.

Pass on Barnes, though.

Our only in with Carroll is a) he likes Utah, by all accounts; b) He loves Quin


Bud, again, bringing in Carroll would mean leaving Hayward at the 2. I'm fine with Hayward guarding threes-- let's bring in a better defensive 2 (*cough cough*, Tony Snell, or KCP) and that will round things out nicely.

 

[NAOS]

BTW, I advocated for pursuing Snell a few months ago.... now that Yeyo Green is on the case, well, ****.

Carroll can guard 2s. He does it all the time. I've watched ~90% of Hawks games the past two years.

 

[Hotdog]

At the same time, he's underachieved everywhere he's been, whether he's been the man or just a role player.

Ya, and where else has he played?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Unless a true veteran (not Barnes) who is really good and a good fit I don't think we can say we are too young and we are going to trade the pick. Even at 10-12 there are good players.

We have to make a run at the 3 and D guys... there are plenty of them and they will likely all sign wherever the most dough is. Wes Matthews, Danny Green, Demarre Carroll, Middleton... if all say no or get matched go to plan B. At very least we can raise the asking price so no one gets a bargain.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Ya, and where else has he played?

UNC... he was supposed to be better than he was.

 

[stitches]

For one season, sure, we have money to spend. But don't forget Hayward and Favors will soon be up for new contracts and then Gobert. Matching a big contract in 2016 could land the team in serious financial straits by 2018 or 2019.

Teams can go over the cap when signing their own players. In 2018 the cap is projected to be 94 million. The Luxury tax will probably be around 110M. We can pretty much max out Favors, Gobert and Hayward (if we so wish and if the market requires it - I doubt that all of them will require max) without going into the luxury tax.