Terrorism in Charleston, SC

[The Thriller]

OHHHHH, you were being sarcastic. Sorry I thought you were just being thriller.

So let me get this straight...

Germans don't glorify and memoralize a very racist, divisive, and dark chapter of its history? So why does the USA?

Was the Civil War all that awesome? So awesome that we should glorify it by naming streets after its major leaders and flying the Nazi flag at our capitals?

Do people know that this flag wasn't flying at the SC capital until the early 60s? Do they realize that several other southern states did the same? Why? What was going on in the early 60s that would provoke these state capitals to raise the confederate battle flag? And why have so many southern states since, taken it down?

 

[fishonjazz]

My two cents?

I think it's dumb that people want to ban the confederate flag and make a big fuss about it.

I also think it's dumb that people are mad that others want it banned.

Like usual, people get offended too easily and need to have thicker skin.
It's just a flag. A square shaped piece of fabric with a design on it. Why do people give a ****?

 

[LogGrad98]

So let me get this straight...

Germans don't glorify and memoralize a very racist, divisive, and dark chapter of its history? So why does the USA?

Was the Civil War all that awesome? So awesome that we should glorify it by naming streets after its major leaders and flying the Nazi flag at our capitals?

Do people know that this flag wasn't flying at the SC capital until the early 60s? Do they realize that several other southern states did the same? Why? What was going on in the early 60s that would provoke these state capitals to raise the confederate battle flag? And why have so many southern states since, taken it down?

Why would we glorify the civil war by flying a Nazi flag. Now you are all over the place on this. Typical liberal.

 

[The Thriller]

Why would we glorify the civil war by flying a Nazi flag. Now you are all over the place on this. Typical liberal.

Do Germans glorify the Nazis? Why should we glorify traitors and racists?

The confederate flag needs to go the way of the Swastica... Into the trash heap of history. Not flying at our state capitals.

 

[Harambe]

Why would we glorify the civil war by flying a Nazi flag. Now you are all over the place on this. Typical liberal.

As much as it hurts, he's got a point. Typical conservatives won't see it, as they're too busy being grateful praising Jesus, and focusing on what makes their life good and not giving half a thought at what makes society bad... or even that any other bad can exist.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

As much as it hurts, he's got a point. Typical conservatives won't see it, as they're too busy being grateful praising Jesus, and focusing on what makes their life good and not giving half a thought at what makes society bad... or even that any other bad can exist.

Paint much?

 

[Stoked]

My two cents?

I think it's dumb that people want to ban the confederate flag and make a big fuss about it.

I also think it's dumb that people are mad that others want it banned.

Like usual, people get offended too easily and need to have thicker skin.
It's just a flag. A square shaped piece of fabric with a design on it. Why do people give a ****?

I agree that people get offended way to easily in todays society. However I can certanly see how people would see this flag as a symbol of their oppression and suffering and as a result hate it. There is such a long, deadly history there that I can understand it intellectually.

For my personal opinion I am glad that some businesses and conservative leaders are finally joining the voices of those calling for it's demise (NASCAR, Gov. Haley, Walmart, Amazon, Mitt Romney...).

 

[Harambe]

Paint much?

Only by numbers.

 

[Siro]

Chillax dude, it's only a piece of cloth. A swastika is just a bunch of lines. Emotions are just a bunch of molecules having a reaction with a bunch of other molecules. I don't understand people who make a fuss over "symbols" and "meaning". Those things aren't real. Like, get over it.

 

[fishonjazz]

Chillax dude, it's only a piece of cloth. A swastika is just a bunch of lines. Emotions are just a bunch of molecules having a reaction with a bunch of other molecules. I don't understand people who make a fuss over "symbols" and "meaning". Those things aren't real. Like, get over it.

Zactly

 

[moevillini]

Chillax dude, it's only a piece of cloth. A swastika is just a bunch of lines. Emotions are just a bunch of molecules having a reaction with a bunch of other molecules. I don't understand people who make a fuss over "symbols" and "meaning". Those things aren't real. Like, get over it.

yeah, like bouncing balls and throwing them around at each other - now that has real meaning

 

[Jazz Spazz]

yeah, like bouncing balls and throwing them around at each other - now that has real meaning

A little too close to home. I think you should take it back.

 

[♪alt13]

My two cents?

I think it's dumb that people want to ban the confederate flag and make a big fuss about it.

I also think it's dumb that people are mad that others want it banned.

Like usual, people get offended too easily and need to have thicker skin.
It's just a flag. A square shaped piece of fabric with a design on it. Why do people give a ****?

Not ban. Remove from the State Capitol. People will still be allowed to fly it in their trailer parks.

 

[The Thriller]

Chillax dude, it's only a piece of cloth. A swastika is just a bunch of lines. Emotions are just a bunch of molecules having a reaction with a bunch of other molecules. I don't understand people who make a fuss over "symbols" and "meaning". Those things aren't real. Like, get over it.

People aren't upset that these symbols of hatred exist.

People are upset that thee symbols of hatred are being sponsored and flown by their own state governments at their capital buildings.

It's symbolic that these governments STILL do not consider blacks to be equal to whites.

 

[fishonjazz]

Not ban. Remove from the State Capitol. People will still be allowed to fly it in their trailer parks.

Thanks for the info. Makes sense then

 

[The Thriller]

It's obvious who the Fox News and AM radio listeners are

No one is calling for a ban of the confederate battle flag. What people are requesting is that it not be flown at the capital building.

Do you folks know of the history behind this? These flags were not flying at southern capital buildings after the civil war. However, they began to be raised when President Truman desegregated the armed forces, when the SC ruled on Brown vs Board of Edu, and in the early 60s civil Rights movement. The very flag in SC was raised in 1961. And at that time it was on top of the building. Clear manifestation of hostility towards the civil rights movement.

The raising of these flags have nothing to do with memorializing the fallen during the civil war. They're blatant examples of racist whites in southern states showing their disdain for equality. You people really need to learn the very history of this country (especially from the 1930s-60s) to better understand the anger behind those requesting the flag be brought down.

 

[Siro]

People aren't upset that these symbols of hatred exist.

People are upset that thee symbols of hatred are being sponsored and flown by their own state governments at their capital buildings.

It's symbolic that these governments STILL do not consider blacks to be equal to whites.

Well, I'm personally upset they even exist. But ya, I don't disagree. They should not be displayed on any public property! It's ****ing shameful.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

It's obvious who the Fox News and AM radio listeners are

No one is calling for a ban of the confederate battle flag. What people are requesting is that it not be flown at the capital building.

Do you folks know of the history behind this? These flags were not flying at southern capital buildings after the civil war. However, they began to be raised when President Truman desegregated the armed forces, when the SC ruled on Brown vs Board of Edu, and in the early 60s civil Rights movement. The very flag in SC was raised in 1961. And at that time it was on top of the building. Clear manifestation of hostility towards the civil rights movement.

The raising of these flags have nothing to do with memorializing the fallen during the civil war. They're blatant examples of racist whites in southern states showing their disdain for equality. You people really need to learn the very history of this country (especially from the 1930s-60s) to better understand the anger behind those requesting the flag be brought down.

You seem to be the one listening to Fox as you always seem to know what they are saying.

Nice drop of a "You people".

Despite your thrillerness and the fact that I disagree with much of what you say and how you present ideas... I agree about the confederate flag. It needs to be taken down and should not be allowed by any state government to be seen as tied to that government in any way. It is a symbol of rebellion against the federal government and has strong ties to racist action/beliefs. That should not be something state governments allow or support in any way.

 

[moevillini]

No one is calling for a ban of the confederate battle flag. What people are requesting is that it not be flown at the capital building.

Do you folks know of the history behind this? These flags were not flying at southern capital buildings after the civil war. However, they began to be raised when President Truman desegregated the armed forces, when the SC ruled on Brown vs Board of Edu, and in the early 60s civil Rights movement. The very flag in SC was raised in 1961. And at that time it was on top of the building. Clear manifestation of hostility towards the civil rights movement...

similarly, it's like how the words "under God" were ADDED to the Pledge of Allegiance in the 1950's during the Communist "red" scare

 

[The Thriller]

similarly, it's like how the words "under God" were ADDED to the Pledge of Allegiance in the 1950's during the Communist "red" scare

Exactly.

Sooooooooo many on the right today have absolutely no idea about the very history of this country. They use a revisionist history and a collection of either quotes from founding fathers taken out of context or completely rewritten to promote their ultra conservative agenda. It's like they've declared themselves the heirs of the noble and progressive FF. Instead, conservatives today resemble the backwards and racist secessionists of the confederacy.

The left might not be much better informed. But I rarely see a left winger citing (incorrectly) a FF to promote their agenda. Or claiming that "The Constitution" grants us certain rights. Typically left wingers compare how backwards we are to the rest of the industrialized world and how other countries do things better (health care, taxation, education, etc).

When talking to conservatives most had no idea about the history of that confed battle flag. Even fewer (and I've spoken to a few on social media lately) had no idea that southern states paved the way for the nazis in their practice of eugenics. Throughout the 20s, 30s and 40s the remnants of the American confederacy were leading the world in the practice of eugenics.

It wasn't until WWII (or perhaps a little before when the Nazis reved up their T4 peogram... Can't remember. I don't think the T4 killed/sterilized as many Germans as our eugenics programs) when the nazis tried to liquidate all evidence (especially human evidence) that Nazi Germany outpaced the American Confederacy in sterilizing minorities.

Then even AFTER the holocaust, the confederacy kept practicing eugenics. It wasn't until the 60s and 70s that it was finally banned.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States

Ironic that the exact same mentality above pervades in those southern states even today. Blacks are the welfare queens and takers and burdens to the whites. Jim Crow laws and eugenics was a continuation of the civil war. Raising the confed battle flag was a continuation of the civil war. The perception that blacks are burdens to our society is a continuation of that war...

In many ways the civil war has never ended.

Let's take small steps in ending it, shall we? Taking down the battle flag is one of those Necessary steps.