Terrorism in Charleston, SC

[moevillini]

Interesting to learn the history of developments with the Confederate flag situation at the state capitol building...

The politics of the flag are complicated in South Carolina. A November poll from Winthrop University found that 73% of whites in the state want the flag to remain where it is. The same poll reported that 61% of blacks want it taken down.

"If we look at what the Confederate flag meant in the past, you can't help but feel negative thoughts, especially now," said 24-year-old Meghan Delaney. "It should have been taken down a long time ago. If not now, when?"

For some whites, many of whom can trace their ancestry back to the Civil War, the flag represents heritage and pride.

"It's a symbol of family and my ancestors who defended the state from invasion. It was about standing up to a central government," said Chris Sullivan, who is a member of the Sons of the Confederacy. "The things that our ancestors fought for were not novel and they really are the same issues we have today."

https://www.cnn.com/2015/06/21/politics/south-carolina-confederate-flag-debate/

...The flag was raised at a monument to Confederate soldiers on the State House grounds, surrounded by an iron fence, as a compromise in 2000. For four decades before that, it flew atop the Capitol dome itself, under the American and state flags.

Lawmakers gathered in Columbia on Tuesday for a special budget session. Just adding the flag to the agenda would require a two-thirds vote in both the House and Senate.

By law, removing the flag would also require a two-thirds vote, although U.S. Rep. James Clyburn has said that law could be overturned by simple majority.

The Post and Courier newspaper of Charleston started a count of where lawmakers stand on the flag. On Tuesday, votes to remove it were running about even with lawmakers who had yet to respond.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/south-carolina-anti-confederate-flag-protesters-rally-outside-capitol-n380236

Back in 2000, civil rights activists successfully lobbied to have a much larger Confederate flag removed from the Capitol dome. But there was a compromise. The South Carolina Heritage Act decreed that just about all other tributes to Confederate history would be virtually untouchable. The only way to change anything of that nature -- including the smaller flag that was erected on the State House lawn -- would be to gain the endorsement of two-thirds of lawmakers.

That's not likely here or in any other place where some have said for years that the flag is not about racism; it is about Southern pride and heritage.

https://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/us/south-carolina-confederate-flag-still-flies/

 

[Stoked]

I can see both sides of this argument.

What I'd like to see happen is for it to be removed completely as a sign of good faith and compassion for those it truly does offend.

To me it is unfortunate that the rebel flag is not used more in a way to remind America of what we should never allow again. Not as a rallying symbol but as a warning.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Americans should learn from Germans. Germans still fly the Nazi flag under the current German national flag in Berlin. It's a source of national pride, states rights, and preserving their heritage. It's not a source of racism, division, or hatred. So I say Americans just copy what the Germans have done...

 

[♪alt13]

Americans should learn from Germans. Germans still fly the Nazi flag under the current German national flag in Berlin. It's a source of national pride, states rights, and preserving their heritage. It's not a source of racism, division, or hatred. So I say Americans just copy what the Germans have done...

The confederate flag isn't quite an American thing. It's a South thing. The confederate flag isn't flown in Philadelphia for instance.

 

[LogGrad98]

Americans should learn from Germans. Germans still fly the Nazi flag under the current German national flag in Berlin. It's a source of national pride, states rights, and preserving their heritage. It's not a source of racism, division, or hatred. So I say Americans just copy what the Germans have done...

Not sure what you mean by Nazi flag but the government here does not fly any flag with a swastika.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Not sure what you mean by Nazi flag but the government here does not fly any flag with a swastika.

Wait what???

They don't???

But why wouldn't they want to memorialize the sacrifices of those who fought in WWII? Why don't they want to celebrate the Nazis? They were merely fighting to restore German power and prestige after the French illegally imposed vicious and unrealistic tariffs onto them.

What have they done to the Nazi flag? And why? Isn't it a part of their history that they want to preserve???

 

[♪alt13]

Not sure what you mean by Nazi flag but the government here does not fly any flag with a swastika.

I think you need to take your sarcasm detector to the mechanic. Unless you totally got that and are just being sarcastic. Damn it! I really can't afford a mechanic right now.

 

[LogGrad98]

Wait what???

They don't???

But why wouldn't they want to memorialize the sacrifices of those who fought in WWII? Why don't they want to celebrate the Nazis? They were merely fighting to restore German power and prestige after the French illegally imposed vicious and unrealistic tariffs onto them.

What have they done to the Nazi flag? And why? Isn't it a part of their history that they want to preserve???

I think you need to take your sarcasm detector to the mechanic. Unless you totally got that and are just being sarcastic. Damn it! I really can't afford a mechanic right now.

OHHHHH, you were being sarcastic. Sorry I thought you were just being thriller.

 

[Deleted member 365]

OHHHHH, you were being sarcastic. Sorry I thought you were just being thriller.

So let me get this straight...

Germans don't glorify and memoralize a very racist, divisive, and dark chapter of its history? So why does the USA?

Was the Civil War all that awesome? So awesome that we should glorify it by naming streets after its major leaders and flying the Nazi flag at our capitals?

Do people know that this flag wasn't flying at the SC capital until the early 60s? Do they realize that several other southern states did the same? Why? What was going on in the early 60s that would provoke these state capitals to raise the confederate battle flag? And why have so many southern states since, taken it down?

 

[fishonjazz]

My two cents?

I think it's dumb that people want to ban the confederate flag and make a big fuss about it.

I also think it's dumb that people are mad that others want it banned.

Like usual, people get offended too easily and need to have thicker skin.
It's just a flag. A square shaped piece of fabric with a design on it. Why do people give a ****?

 

[LogGrad98]

So let me get this straight...

Germans don't glorify and memoralize a very racist, divisive, and dark chapter of its history? So why does the USA?

Was the Civil War all that awesome? So awesome that we should glorify it by naming streets after its major leaders and flying the Nazi flag at our capitals?

Do people know that this flag wasn't flying at the SC capital until the early 60s? Do they realize that several other southern states did the same? Why? What was going on in the early 60s that would provoke these state capitals to raise the confederate battle flag? And why have so many southern states since, taken it down?

Why would we glorify the civil war by flying a Nazi flag. Now you are all over the place on this. Typical liberal.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Why would we glorify the civil war by flying a Nazi flag. Now you are all over the place on this. Typical liberal.

Do Germans glorify the Nazis? Why should we glorify traitors and racists?

The confederate flag needs to go the way of the Swastica... Into the trash heap of history. Not flying at our state capitals.