I wonder if people realize...

[LogGrad98]

Yeah you know, if the have the attitude I can't take it. I would probably be tehe same for rude behavior and not want to give the tip. That is a good reason not to do it. I hope I don't see one of these people. I think it should be like Europe. But when i go there sometimes I forget that they don't expect so i still do it. They might think I'm rude or they might like me even more?

The like you more. There is a place here that we frequent for decent "american" food, meaning a minor selection of BBQ and burgers. We tip enough that now the wait staff offer us drink refills without question and without charging. And we are not huge tippers, but for here it is. Here tipping 1-2% is good. I tip generally in the 3-5% range and it makes me a superstar.

 

[♪alt13]

Scare tactics to maintain poor pay and the continued "passing the responsibility of compensating employees" from employer to customer never has and never will work for me.

It's not a scare tactic. I have no vested interest. I am not a restaurant owner, I do not work for a restaurant, I have already said that I tip more than 20%. It is honestly what I think would happen. As much as waiters may hate serving broke people they need their business for the sake of their job.

The idea that waiters could all be payed 10-20$ an hour without drastically reducing the number of waiters is wrong. Maybe it would be better to have fewer waiters that made more money. Maybe it would be better to have fewer restaurants. That is what would happen and pretending that it wouldn't is in my view foolish.

 

[The Thriller]

It's not a scare tactic. I have no vested interest. I am not a restaurant owner, I do not work for a restaurant, I have already said that I tip more than 20%. It is honestly what I think would happen. As much as waiters may hate serving broke people they need their business for the sake of their job.

The idea that waiters could all be payed 10-20$ an hour without drastically reducing the number of waiters is wrong. Maybe it would be better to have fewer waiters that made more money. Maybe it would be better to have fewer restaurants. That is what would happen and pretending that it wouldn't is in my view foolish.

First of all, we have literally every other industrialized country to look at. I've never heard of a restaurant or server shortage due to the high costs of dining in any of these countries.

Secondly, the negative effects on the economy of wage increases in the food industry are vastly overblown. I believe they could pay McDonald's workers $15 per hr and only increase the cost of a Big Mac $0.25. I highly doubt people will refuse to eat Big Macs because it costs a whole quarter more.

At this point it's more about maintaining a certain image or perception of superiority than anything based on economics.

 

[LogGrad98]

You legitimately think a company can increase their single highest cost by >25% and have about a 2% increase in prices? Wow the depth of your ignorance of economics and business is unlimited.

 

[Archie Moses]

I've honesty never heard people whine about their jobs or play the victim cards as much as servers.

 

[franklin]

I've never had a steak at a restaurant that's as good as what I can cook myself with a high quality piece of meat (Costco) and my charcoal Weber grill. Seriously, it's to the point where I no longer order steak ever when I go to restaurants. And I don't even do any of the aging stuff that Loggrad has posted about here in the past.

You're right about buying the right piece of meat. What I'm saying is there's a big difference between a mouth watering steak off the barbecue and one you can buy at an elite steakhouse. Anyone can grill a great steak. It's not rocket science.

I'm always open to having my mind changed if you really want to try.

 

[Archie Moses]

I'm always open to having my mind changed if you really want to try.

Wanna try my steak, Frank?

 

[franklin]

Just want to add that the service I normally receive here is beyond garbage. Slow as hell, no refills, etc. I still tip well and that's probably why they don't give a damn.

When I was in college working the standard $10-11 hr job back then, servers I knew in UTC were making $16-18. Some college kids would work in Park City and clear $300 a night easily.

Some are acting like these are minimum starting wage Walmart jobs. They aren't if you get into the right situation and do an exceptional job.

 

[franklin]

Wanna try my steak, Frank?

Didn't Honz say your cut is too thin?

 

[RandyForRubio]

When I was in college, I was part of a campus ministry group. After our weekly meeting, a bunch of people would go to a place like Buffalo Wild Wings and get together for a while and eat/drink. Anyways, later on one of the waitresses there became a lab partner of mine (which was awesome, she gave me free beer), she had mentioned to me that the servers there dreaded late night Wednesday cause that was when the Christian group came in, sat for an hour or two and didn't tip worth a crap. I guess I never noticed cause I always tipped well and didn't pay attention to what the others did.

So I had to go to these guys and tell them they weren't setting a good example for who we're supposed to be, and they either need to tip better or stop going. Super awkward. Dumb college kids.

 

[framer]

Yeah...I'm gonna have to disagree. The Mint used to be good before the owner/chef left, that was years ago. Rib and Chop is average, much better steak to be found. If you ever come back, Land of Magic in Logan has the best overall steak, and the Oasis in Manhattan has the best prime rib.

I left 11 years ago, and the Mint and the Oasis were pretty close in quality and price. Sad if it has went downhill. I've been to a lot of steak places and, at least back then, Rib and Chop was pretty darn tasty.

 

[The Thriller]

Just want to add that the service I normally receive here is beyond garbage. Slow as hell, no refills, etc. I still tip well and that's probably why they don't give a damn.

When I was in college working the standard $10-11 hr job back then, servers I knew in UTC were making $16-18. Some college kids would work in Park City and clear $300 a night easily.

Some are acting like these are minimum starting wage Walmart jobs. They aren't if you get into the right situation and do an exceptional job.

Lol

Anytime you who've to use park city to rationalize how serving doesn't suck and actually pays well, you've lost the argument altogether.

 

[The Thriller]

You legitimately think a company can increase their single highest cost by >25% and have about a 2% increase in prices? Wow the depth of your ignorance of economics and business is unlimited.

Cuz no other country has figured out how to pay their servers living wages and still maintain profitable restaurants.

Japan, Brazil, Austrialia, and most of Europe have no restaurants because they require businesses to actually pay their servers and not rely on the good will of customers...

Use some ****ing common sense

Americans for whatever reason feel like they need to reinvent the wheel. As if every major issue has only reared their ugly heada in the United States now while other countries still have yet to deal with them.

In reality, most of the other industrialized countries look at us as Neanderthals.

Remember Stockton 2 Malone? He was a mod on the original board before it crashed. I remember talking to him about health care and min wage. Australia modernized and resolved these issues decades ago. Hilarious because, when anyone suggests we adopt a system for any major issue that is being worked successfully in another similar country, the talking heads here scream apocalypse.

Again, if tips are what's preventing restaurant owners from jacking up prices or risk downsizing significantly, then why are so many other countries still surviving without the tipping system?

Again, I think this is more about perpetuating an asinine American system than actual analysis in economics.

 

[Nate505]

It sounds great until you realize that less people going out to eat means fewer waiters and fewer restaurants. It might not be that big of a deal somewhere else but here where so many people have more children than they can afford this would mean people lose their jobs.

Tipping well subsidizes the meal of someone that otherwise could not afford it. That person that tips poorly helps keep the margins in the black. Forget about the 20% and put yourself in the waiters shoes. If you can afford to leave a big tip do it.

Is the % of people who don't tip that large (and are they that poor) where if costs were increased 20% they won't go out to eat anymore?

For a place like Applebee's, where the average bill for 4 is, eh, let's say $60, that would bring the cost to $72 for the meal. Yet most people who go out and tip just expect to pay $72 anyway because that's the cost plus a 20% tip. I know when I go out to eat I have to do that stupid mental gymnastics thing (though I'm an Accounting major, so adding 20% isn't that difficult....heck it's not even difficult as just someone who has any competence in math pas the middle school level) where I'm factoring in the tip as part of the total bill.

Again, why doesn't this line of thinking apply to any other business? What about the poor person who can't get their car fixed? Why aren't other people subsidizing their bills?

 

[LogGrad98]

Cuz no other country has figured out how to pay their servers living wages and still maintain profitable restaurants.

Japan, Brazil, Austrialia, and most of Europe have no restaurants because they require businesses to actually pay their servers and not rely on the good will of customers...

Use some ****ing common sense

Americans for whatever reason feel like they need to reinvent the wheel. As if every major issue has only reared their ugly heada in the United States now while other countries still have yet to deal with them.

In reality, most of the other industrialized countries look at us as Neanderthals.

Remember Stockton 2 Malone? He was a mod on the original board before it crashed. I remember talking to him about health care and min wage. Australia modernized and resolved these issues decades ago. Hilarious because, when anyone suggests we adopt a system for any major issue that is being worked successfully in another similar country, the talking heads here scream apocalypse.

Again, if tips are what's preventing restaurant owners from jacking up prices or risk downsizing significantly, then why are so many other countries still surviving without the tipping system?

Again, I think this is more about perpetuating an asinine American system than actual analysis in economics.

Now you are conflating price with profit. Do you even know what you're arguing about?

 

[The Thriller]

Now you are conflating price with profit. Do you even know what you're arguing about?

Are you going to attempt to refute anything said in the last few posts by Nate and I or are you just going to act smart and troll?

 

[colton]

I remember once we had a huge party show up. 200 people ordered food, drinks, and deserts. A bill over $7,000. They left no tip (probably without noticing). The restaurant owner? Shrugged his shoulders and said, "darn." To him it didn't matter. His restaurant got the money they wanted. To hell with the employees.

The 12 employees who worked 3 hrs? Left pissed making min wage and dreaming that their college degrees couldn't come fast enough.

Sadly, 2 of those 12 are still there even with their college degrees! Ouch!

At a lot of restaurants they build the tip into the bill for parties larger than about 8. This party might have assumed that was going to be the case here.

 

[colton]

What about restaurants that don't use waiters? For example, today for lunch we went to a pizza place that had a country where you ordered the pizza, they have you a placard with a number, then brought the pizza out when it was done. I pretty much never tip at places like that...is that wrong?

 

[♪alt13]

Is the % of people who don't tip that large (and are they that poor) where if costs were increased 20% they won't go out to eat anymore?

For a place like Applebee's, where the average bill for 4 is, eh, let's say $60, that would bring the cost to $72 for the meal. Yet most people who go out and tip just expect to pay $72 anyway because that's the cost plus a 20% tip. I know when I go out to eat I have to do that stupid mental gymnastics thing (though I'm an Accounting major, so adding 20% isn't that difficult....heck it's not even difficult as just someone who has any competence in math pas the middle school level) where I'm factoring in the tip as part of the total bill.

Again, why doesn't this line of thinking apply to any other business? What about the poor person who can't get their car fixed? Why aren't other people subsidizing their bills?

Sorry, I have a paper due Monday, a test Tuesday, I have a book to read that I should have started a month ago, and a paper due on that in 2 weeks. I'm gunna concede and stay out of GD for a few weeks. Thanx for not being thriller.

 

[The Thriller]

At a lot of restaurants they build the tip into the bill for parties larger than about 8. This party might have assumed that was going to be the case here.

You're right. At the place I was at it was 6 and larger.

They restored it eventually. But for a few months there servers were getting screwed.

That large 200 member party probably thought that the tip was built in. But it wasn't. Which is why i believe that it's asinine (our entire system).