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Sanders starting to kick some HC... whatever

As far as what the U.S. did to Japan, let's not forget, they attacked us first. They attacked many nations first. They committed a number of atrocities. They employed suicide tactics. They basically demanded that we inflict heavy casualties before they would surrender.

The U.S. didn't go out of its way to hurt Japan. They started a fight with us and we fought back.
 
dalamon said:
It was relatively paltry. Deal with it, Stoked. It's fact.
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It's opinion. And it's my opinion that you will get negative reaction from being dismissive of what happened. Deal with it Dala.
 
dalamon said:
When I say the term 'relatively paltry', do you in fact know what the word 'relative' means?
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I take you're not going to answer my question. I only ask because of you willingness to marginalize it. The outrage you had when someone on here insulted millennials, I would equate that same feeling to your opinion of the 9/11 attacks. Just my ****ty opinion, as I'm sure you'll classify it.
 
Gameface said:
As far as what the U.S. did to Japan, let's not forget, they attacked us first. They attacked many nations first. They committed a number of atrocities. They employed suicide tactics. They basically demanded that we inflict heavy casualties before they would surrender.

The U.S. didn't go out of its way to hurt Japan. They started a fight with us and we fought back.
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and it'll forever be disputed whether the actions they took were too extreme. The reason it's still debated is because there is no clean answer to it. What we do know is that hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians who had nothing to do with the decisions that their political advocates were doing were on the receiving ends of their misjudgement, and despite this they still seem to be forward-looking.

I'm not saying that they should be holding grudges-- i'm just saying that it's so impressive that they don't, and that I doubt there are many other countries in the world who've done the same. The likes of Joe Bagadonuts find it annoying when Obama apologizes for "being American", for one.
 
Red Jazz Fan said:
I take you're not going to answer my question. I only ask because of you willingness to marginalize it. The outrage you had when someone on here insulted millennials, I would equate that same feeling to your opinion of the 9/11 attacks. Just my ****ty opinion, as I'm sure you'll classify it.
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Why would I answer such a ******** question? I have never indicated 9/11 as a paltry phenomenon. Take your Goebbelsian reasoning elsewhere.

It IS relatively paltry, however.
 
Aaah. Japan lost something like half a million civilians. How many did they kill in China? 7m or so? Japan, being the aggressor, has no right to feel resentment over the outcome of the war. Just like Germany, who lost 3-4x as many civilians as Japan, don't hold a grudge against the Allies. This is specially the case when Japan remains unapologetic about their actions in China.

Japanese casualties were relatively paltry compared to the ones they inflicted in East/Southeast Asia.
 
dalamon said:
it is factually relatively paltry.
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And emotionally and psychologically massive for Americans.

From your response to my original post on this I now feel you deserve any blowback you get.
 
dalamon said:
and it'll forever be disputed whether the actions they took were too extreme. The reason it's still debated is because there is no clean answer to it. What we do know is that hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians who had nothing to do with the decisions that their political advocates were doing were on the receiving ends of their misjudgement, and despite this they still seem to be forward-looking.

I'm not saying that they should be holding grudges-- i'm just saying that it's so impressive that they don't, and that I doubt there are many other countries in the world who've done the same. The likes of Joe Bagadonuts find it annoying when Obama apologizes for "being American", for one.
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After the war was over, instead of the U.S. holding a grudge against Japan we helped them to build themselves into a modern industrial powerhouse. Relations between the U.S. and Japan have been relatively positive since the end of WWII. Our interests to this day are fairly aligned. Hell, probably the biggest sore spot is our military bases there and the poor conduct of some U.S. service members in Japan.
 
Gameface said:
After the war was over, instead of the U.S. holding a grudge against Japan we helped them to build themselves into a modern industrial powerhouse. Relations between the U.S. and Japan have been relatively positive since the end of WWII. Our interests to this day are fairly aligned. Hell, probably the biggest sore spot is our military bases there and the poor conduct of some U.S. service members in Japan.
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alright, now you've gone too fanboy.
 
Siro said:
Aaah. Japan lost something like half a million civilians. How many did they kill in China? 7m or so? Japan, being the aggressor, has no right to feel resentment over the outcome of the war. Just like Germany, who lost 3-4x as many civilians as Japan, don't hold a grudge against the Allies. This is specially the case when Japan remains unapologetic about their actions in China.

Japanese casualties were relatively paltry compared to the ones they inflicted in East/Southeast Asia.
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agreed.
 
NAOS said:
alright, now you've gone too fanboy.
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Busted.

Love me some Japanese made goods.

I have a Zojirushi rice cooker and electric skillet that I love. The tankless water heater I just bought is made in Japan and it's fantastic, it's a Takagi. I have a Hario coffee grinder that I use to hand grind my coffee beans which is a very nice grinder. And even though Sony has fallen behind as far as their TVs I've actually never bought any other brand of TV in my life. Used to be that Sony Trinitron TVs were simply better than anything else. I've owned a few American made cars, but I really prefer Japanese made cars.
 
Stoked said:
[MENTION=848]dalamon[/MENTION]

Check this link out. A poll by the conservative newspaper in Utah. Says Sanders takes Utah over trump by 11% and Clinton takes Utah from Trump by 2%. Cruz beats Sanders and Clinton. Is Utah feeling the Bern?

https://www.ksl.com/?sid=38970451&n...-vote-for-a-democrat-for-president-over-trump
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Utah will not go blue. Every right-leaning Utahn who says they'd vote Clinton over Trump is reminiscent of JazzFanz after a depressing loss. Nearly all of them will get over the emotion and not vote Clinton. Sanders vs. Trump in Utah is a non-starter because, while Sanders has picked up steam and excitement, he's far behind in the delegate count because of super delegates. All that hard work and earned support he's received has been taken from him and given to someone coasting by on entitlement. It's sad, really, but appropriately ironic.
 
infection said:
Utah will not go blue. Every right-leaning Utahn who says they'd vote Clinton over Trump is reminiscent of JazzFanz after a depressing loss. Nearly all of them will get over the emotion and not vote Clinton. Sanders vs. Trump in Utah is a non-starter because, while Sanders has picked up steam and excitement, he's far behind in the delegate count because of super delegates. All that hard work and earned support he's received has been taken from him and given to someone coasting by on entitlement. It's sad, really, but appropriately ironic.
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I don't think you are right about sanders trailing by an insurmountable amount. I also don't think you are right about utah not being able to go blue. If trump is the only red option, utah, and maybe even idaho and wyoming, will probably go blue. Especially for sanders.
 
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