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I just always see people posting about the rich paying their fair share...I wanna know what that it. Put some numbers behind it.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
What you are describing is definitely not a socialists definition of fair.
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I agree. And with the way things are I am not for increased taxes. That is putting the cart before the horse IMO.

Lots of work to be done. Tons. Step 1 is auditing the fed. Get a true accounting of how much we bring in, where it comes in from, how much we spend and where it goes.

Step 2 is deciding what spending and income sources we want to keep and see where that puts us financially as a country.

Step 3 is then finding ways to adjust income and expenses to meet our goals, if necessary.

Steps 1 and 2 were done, takes more than a president to do, than I would be open to step 3 and increases in my taxes.
 
#bern said:
I just always see people posting about the rich paying their fair share...I wanna know what that it. Put some numbers behind it.
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I don't know the number but if you're super rich (like 50 million per year) then you should get taxed like a mother ****er.
 
Stoked said:
I'd say you'd need to look at 3rd party then. Hint hint.
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This would be my logical choice, and I've always been against voting against a certain candidate rather than for one who's views match mine. But with outspoken candidates like Trump and Sanders on the table that are so different from what we've been getting in the past elections I might be willing to roll with one of them and see what comes out of this circus act. Stir the pot!
 
I'm not an expert by any means, but when I hear "loopholes" I think people are way oversimplifying. Most "loopholes" require that the person or company use their money in a more productive, mutually beneficial way and in using their money in a way our government desires they get a reduction in their tax.

So close loopholes and don't provide incentives for people with money to use their money in a way that benefits society as a whole. Just take the money and do what we want with it. Maybe that's better, but I'm sure it's complicated enough that no one can really know.
 
fishonjazz said:
I don't know the number but if you're super rich (like 50 million per year) then you should get taxed like a mother ****er.
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Why? How is that "fair"? Take that same exact premise and reverse the target. Is it still fair?

Now I am not saying there are no changes to be made but targeting one group to benefit the majority is not fair.
 
Gameface said:
I'm not an expert by any means, but when I hear "loopholes" I think people are way oversimplifying. Most "loopholes" require that the person or company use their money in a more productive, mutually beneficial way and in using their money in a way our government desires they get a reduction in their tax.

So close loopholes and don't provide incentives for people with money to use their money in a way that benefits society as a whole. Just take the money and do what we want with it. Maybe that's better, but I'm sure it's complicated enough that no one can really know.
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I agree that it is easier to say than actually do. I am sure some loopholes are actually good ideas. But I think a full review should be done so we can decide what we do and do not want to keep.
 
Stoked said:
Why? How is that "fair"? Take that same exact premise and reverse the target. Is it still fair?

Now I am not saying there are no changes to be made but targeting one group to benefit the majority is not fair.
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I don't care about fair. Life aint fair. Nobody needs that kind of money. Those ceo's that make that kind of money get sent on lavish vacations for free by their customers. They eat free at restaurants.

While someone busting their *** for peanuts has to pay for everything that they get. Is that fair?
 
fishonjazz said:
I don't know the number but if you're super rich (like 50 million per year) then you should get taxed like a mother ****er.
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I agree with that for the 1%ers that have taken advantage of the rigged economic system we live in (I'm looking at the top bankers, credit bureau directors, top insurance company CEO's), but not for well meaning businessmen that are creating jobs. Overtaxing them could mean having to lower salaries or even worse, having to take their business elsewhere.

#KeepTaxesALAP
 
I think a big problem is most people don't know what the loopholes are, or how they work. Then they hear loopholes, scream bloody murder, and get pissed without knowing why.

We use some loopholes for our farm. We get tax credits or we can deduct certain things up to a certain limit, if we say decide to put a building up or we buy a tractor and we can depreciate all of it in one year. Things like that. We pay less taxes that way. You know what we would do with that money if it all went to taxes? We wouldn't put buildings up (or not as many), we wouldn't buy as much equipment as we do. So who does that hurt? That hurts other businesses, who employ people. Wonder what happens to those employees if people have to pay more taxes and buy less things because of it? So explain to me why these loopholes are bad. I'd love to hear it.
 
fishonjazz said:
I don't care about fair. Life aint fair. Nobody needs that kind of money. Those ceo's that make that kind of money get sent on lavish vacations for free by their customers. They eat free at restaurants.

While someone busting their *** for peanuts has to pay for everything that they get. Is that fair?
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No and I am open to discussing way to improve their lives. Such as education, wage increases, healthcare improvements and encouraging small businesses.

Good for them..
 
#bern said:
I think a big problem is most people don't know what the loopholes are, or how they work. Then they hear loopholes, scream bloody murder, and get pissed without knowing why.

We use some loopholes for our farm. We get tax credits or we can deduct certain things up to a certain limit, if we say decide to put a building up or we buy a tractor and we can depreciate all of it in one year. Things like that. We pay less taxes that way. You know what we would do with that money if it all went to taxes? We wouldn't put buildings up (or not as many), we wouldn't buy as much equipment as we do. So who does that hurt? That hurts other businesses, who employ people. Wonder what happens to those employees if people have to pay more taxes and buy less things because of it? So explain to me why these loopholes are bad. I'd love to hear it.
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Not all loopholes are created equal. I'm sure some are good. Some are bad. As per of putting our financial house in order we would need to simplify tithe tax code where applicable and remove disengenous, obsolete and poorly written loopholes. Some go and some are needed and stay.

For example:

https://m.sfweekly.com/sanfrancisco...pholes-to-close-right-now/Content?oid=2186661
 
#bern said:
Does it make it a better place? We don't know where that money is going. So why create incentives for people to make less money? That's counter productive.
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I have never heard of an incentive that would make me want to make less money
 
Stoked said:
education, wage increases, healthcare improvements and encouraging small businesses.
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Who is paying for all that? Poor people?
 
#bern said:
Does it make it a better place?
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Theoretically yes. If the money is allocated properly.
Maybe bernie is a start to get us headed in the right direction
 
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