I feel them saying that is playing it off.
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I feel them saying that is playing it off.
GVC
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The problem is, the Jazz don't have a clear strategy. They're neither tanking nor adding talent. If the Jazz go into this coming season with essentially the same roster (plus a pick and/or a mediocre veteran), it will be another huge offseason failure. If Hayward leaves next summer for nothing, DL should be canned.
The situations are not the same. This team was the youngest in the West. That team was a veteran laden team with a lot of experience with plenty of players past their prime playing significant minutes. We have players with a lot of room to improve and potential. This team has the potential to be better than an 8th seed. Even this year being very young, riddled with injuries and having some of the worst luck in games that came down to a last shot (which are pure luck statistically who wins) we were still competing for a 5th seed at the end of the season. With a focus on winning, more solid bench, all major players improving (since none have peaked) a 5th seed or better is very doable next year. That is assuming Exum is just an average player. If he lives up to his potential and becomes the best player on this team we can and will be competing at the top. Hayward could be the third best player on this team in 2-3 years at his same level or improved level of play.
homeytennis
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How's the caak taste now?
Ask those that pimped it.
First of all, I have never heard Hayward say he was thinking about leaving, this is just insecure Jazz fans imaginations. Whether he stays or goes will be determined when his contract is up.
All franchise miss on draft picks, Utah is no different.
I think Franklin has a point about letting solid vets walk without getting any compensation. This is the biggest thing that pisses me off about the Jazz. I wanted to start the rebuild earlier than most Jazz fans who were hanging on to making the playoffs idea.
Franklin only you can decide if you want to go to another team but I will always stay with the Jazz. I lived through showtime in LA and stayed a Jazz fan. I get strange looks when I talk NBA with Celtics fans. "You're a Jazz fan." "what the #^@*@&#? Yet, I am still a Jazz fan.
I will die a Jazz fan even though I enjoy watching other teams. I am this way probably because I was so excited when the Jazz moved to Utah. I didn't care that they sucked. Allan Bristow, Ben Poquette, Rich Kelley. It didn't matter I was just happy to have the NBA in Utah.Younger Jazz fans want S&M days back. So I have seen the bad and good times so I am not so upset about the recent rebuild.
However, I want the Jazz to improve their bench because I believe that when the Jazz get back their full team with an improved bench they will be in the playoffs.
As far as the money goes, I am waiting to see how the Jazz handle the upcoming contracts of their own players, perhaps this is why the Jazz have been saving for that day. The Jazz have several players who are going to get paid but if they let more guys leave with compensation then I might just retire and go lay on the beach somewhere.
I am also a Red Sox fan, all I can tell you is that I had years of misery watching them lose, choke and suck but I remained loyal and in 2004 I experience my greatest fandom moment with them winning it all. I still get emotional when I watch the World Series video of 2004. So when you start thinking about leaving remember how great the moment will be when the Jazz win it all.
All franchise miss on draft picks, Utah is no different.
I think Franklin has a point about letting solid vets walk without getting any compensation. This is the biggest thing that pisses me off about the Jazz. I wanted to start the rebuild earlier than most Jazz fans who were hanging on to making the playoffs idea.
Franklin only you can decide if you want to go to another team but I will always stay with the Jazz. I lived through showtime in LA and stayed a Jazz fan. I get strange looks when I talk NBA with Celtics fans. "You're a Jazz fan." "what the #^@*@&#? Yet, I am still a Jazz fan.
I will die a Jazz fan even though I enjoy watching other teams. I am this way probably because I was so excited when the Jazz moved to Utah. I didn't care that they sucked. Allan Bristow, Ben Poquette, Rich Kelley. It didn't matter I was just happy to have the NBA in Utah.Younger Jazz fans want S&M days back. So I have seen the bad and good times so I am not so upset about the recent rebuild.
However, I want the Jazz to improve their bench because I believe that when the Jazz get back their full team with an improved bench they will be in the playoffs.
As far as the money goes, I am waiting to see how the Jazz handle the upcoming contracts of their own players, perhaps this is why the Jazz have been saving for that day. The Jazz have several players who are going to get paid but if they let more guys leave with compensation then I might just retire and go lay on the beach somewhere.
I am also a Red Sox fan, all I can tell you is that I had years of misery watching them lose, choke and suck but I remained loyal and in 2004 I experience my greatest fandom moment with them winning it all. I still get emotional when I watch the World Series video of 2004. So when you start thinking about leaving remember how great the moment will be when the Jazz win it all.
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GVC
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Develop homegrown talent for whom? Trade when? If Gordo walks for nothing, won't that at least get some of the apologists to start questioning DL's competence?
Last year? What about the year before? Or the year before that? Or the year before that? We're going into DL's 5th season as GM (this is his 4th full offseason). The best player he's traded for is Shelvin Mack, who couldn't even get PT on a treadmill team in the Eastern Conference (with that said, it was a nice little trade). The best free agent or waiver acquisition he's made is for Trevor Booker. In 4 seasons as GM.
If you're not tanking, you have to be active in adding talent, especially if you operate in Utah. DL might be the least active GM in the league. For me, this offseason and Gordo's future represent DL's last chance to get something right.
Fantastic! Not sure why people would jump ship the first year the cake is ready to eat.
I felt their actions and words spoke to that sentiment. Had they acted and said they were out to win early or to start the season and then at the end of the season changed I would have felt they were playing it off. They didnt sign vets or pick up anyone to bolster the bench or take minutes away from young players. They gave young players lots of minutes and put them in tough positions. They let Hood play a lot more point forward and asked him to do way more they he was comfortable with. They didnt rush back injured players even when the games seemed to matter. They played with lineups, positions and strategies a lot throughout the season. There are other signs but those are all signs of a team trying to develop and evaluate.
Keefe
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I don't see it this way at all and I think many here would agree.
I think if we add P.J. Tucker/Crabbe and select a solid big at 12 OR select Luwawu/Korky at 12 and use our 2nds to move up to draft a solid big (Maker/Qi?) and maybe upgrade our backup pg spot behind Exum, I think we've added solid depth, even though the draft picks will take time and be developmental, because we've seen enough of our young guys develop and develop quickly under Quin to think that rookies will contribute solidly by mid-season. I think there are other variations of how we can maneuver but the general point is made.
Exum
Hood-Burks
Hayward-Luwawu
Favors-Lyles
Gobert-Withey-Maker/Qi
That's a ton of young talent, enough to win 50 games next year imo. In essence, we'll have added Exum, Burks, Luwawu and Maker/Qi and also have another year under our belt for our young guys. We simply need to be healthier and if we are, I think we could shock people at how good we can be.
We gutted the team. We tanked for a couple years. We acquired as much assets as possible and have tried to develop them as much as possible. The big if is Hayward leaving. But there are no signs of that. The FO is aware of his contract situation and I am sure are feeling it out and are not afraid to do something if they felt he was leaving. But signs point to him staying. This year was the last year of tanking, handing the reigns over to the second youngest team in the NBA and not giving them help is tanking. The team played well and we started to see we have a few really good players. Last year was tanking, the year before was tanking... We have a lot of young talent for a reason on this team. I expect the pick this year to get traded unless they dont get a decent offer. I expect future picks and a couple players to be on the trading block to improve this team. I expect a vet or two to be signed as a FA. This off season is huge for this organization. If next year this team sucks and doesnt make the playoffs and Hayward leaves the organization messed up and will have to reset again. But I dont see that happening.
GVC
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Burks and Exum arguably aren't upgrades over the players who played to end this past season (Mack/Neto, Gordo/Hood/Ingles). The West was also surprisingly weak in the middle (after the top 4), which is unlikely to continue this coming season. The Jazz won't crack 50 wins or a top-4 seed without some major talent upgrades. Additional depth won't move the needle very much.
Shad
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It took Sloan 1 year to get a "gutted" team back to the playoffs and I believe he was in a worse situation player wise than we are now.
It is sad what low self esteem we as Jazz fans have. A lot of you expect Hayward to leave, without really any signs point to that. If we can not keep our best players then what is the point of trading him for another chance at a good player? He will just walk to when he becomes a UFA right?
So our best hope is to win a championship according to the people who want to trade Hayward for a pick is to get enough talent on rookie contracts or their first contract when they are a RFA to win it all?
So our best hope is to win a championship according to the people who want to trade Hayward for a pick is to get enough talent on rookie contracts or their first contract when they are a RFA to win it all?
GVC
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Yikes.
1. The Jazz were tanking the last two seasons? All they ended up with were a couple mid-1st round picks and the loss of a previous #3 pick for nothing.
2. Not afraid to do something? What happened with Al and Millsap in DL's first season? How quickly did the FO move on Kanter after he made a mess of his exit interview in 2014 and reportedly asked for a trade that summer? Why should I expect the FO to do what they couldn't/didn't do the last 4 years?
3. Why don't you see Gordo leaving? Every quality unrestricted free agent the Jazz have had during DL's tenure has walked for nothing. Gordo's smart enough to find an organization that's actually committed to trying to win.
mellow
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I would just like to point out it has been 6 years since the Celtics have been to the finals and their fan base isn't looking for a new team.
It has been 6 years since the Lakers won a championship but did you see how many Lakers jerseys show up to Jazz games?
The Thunder have only been to one finals in the past 6 years, but they ain't complaining.
The Spurs and Mavericks have won just one title each in the past 6 years.
You see the NBA is full of ups and downs, you just gotta ride this out for another 20-30 years.
GVC
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The Jazz missed the playoffs for 3 seasons -- 2004-2006. The two biggest differences between then and now:
1. Deron >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exum.
2. KOC was active in adding talent to the team; DL does **** all.
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Damn, if those guys hit their potential they will be stacked