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What would you do if one of the Jazz sits or kneels for the National Anthem ??

simple.

Freedom of speech.
But not freedom of consequences (political or otherwise).

I have no problem with his protest. I also have no problem with some having a problem with it. Duh.

#freedom
 
Dr. Jones said:
simple.

Freedom of speech.
But not freedom of consequences (political or otherwise).

I have no problem with his protest. I also have no problem with some having a problem with it. Duh.

#freedom
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Don't #freedom

Letting this devolve into freedom to protest and freedom to anti-protest is just a way to avoid the real issue. That is not a position because it avoids the issue entirely. Are you truly that weak? Think about the real issue goddamnit. A sizeable chunk of our population still feels marginalized, persecuted, and underserved. They also have the stats to back it up.
 
♪alt13 said:
Don't #freedom

Letting this devolve into freedom to protest and freedom to anti-protest is just a way to avoid the real issue. That is not a position because it avoids the issue entirely. Are you truly that weak? Think about the real issue goddamnit. A sizeable chunk of our population still feels marginalized, persecuted, and underserved. They also have the stats to back it up.
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**** stats. Sack up. Stand up. Sit down.
Or whatever the **** you want. Just put your palm-up-hand-down and work for what you believe. No matter race, religion, nationality, or whatever.

I'm tired of "issues."
 
♪alt13 said:
Don't #freedom

Letting this devolve into freedom to protest and freedom to anti-protest is just a way to avoid the real issue. That is not a position because it avoids the issue entirely. Are you truly that weak? Think about the real issue goddamnit. A sizeable chunk of our population still feels marginalized, persecuted, and underserved. They also have the stats to back it up.
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He just agreed with the right to do it, but that isn't enough?
Yes, a big chunk feels those things. It is sad that the one REAL tool that can be used, a vote, is given over and over to the same people who continue the same policies that continue to marginalize and underserve the people feeling that way in the first place.
Votes will change how things are. If what he is doing causes people to talk about issues that make the usual apathetic, YES I said it, and its 'mostly' true, you know this, apathetic citizen learn something, bonus points. Do something that matters. He donated a million dollars recently I know. That matters.
You are aware that people can thoroughly examine an issue and thoughtfully form an opinion that might conflict with yours? No matter how emotional or 'right' you feel you are.
 
Dr. Jones said:
**** stats. Sack up. Stand up. Sit down.
Or whatever the **** you want. Just put your palm-up-hand-down and work for what you believe. No matter race, religion, nationality, or whatever.

I'm tired of "issues."
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That's not how the world works. That's the problem.
 
Scorpjazz said:
He just agreed with the right to do it, but that isn't enough?
Yes, a big chunk feels those things. It is sad that the one REAL tool that can be used, a vote, is given over and over to the same people who continue the same policies that continue to marginalize and underserve the people feeling that way in the first place.
Votes will change how things are. If what he is doing causes people to talk about issues that make the usual apathetic, YES I said it, and its 'mostly' true, you know this, apathetic citizen learn something, bonus points. Do something that matters. He donated a million dollars recently I know. That matters.
You are aware that people can thoroughly examine an issue and thoughtfully form an opinion that might conflict with yours? No matter how emotional or 'right' you feel you are.
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Dr PKM did not form an opinion. He looked for the most convenient cop out. That makes him weak. I'm sorry but it does. It isn't a real comment, it's simply an easy one.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Replace it with a Heil salute to Silver and those white "slave" owners and bigoted TV execs who are responsible for giving these poor, persecuted, oppressed people $500K-$30M per year.

Meanwhile the African-American CEO at Kaiser makes ME slave away for much less than $100k. I wonder what I should do to protest?
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What a ridiculous comment? You obviously don't understand history or what is going on today.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I'd just be happy cuz after the national anthem comes basketball... And I love basketball.

Seriously though "raising awareness" is kind of weak. Go raise awareness by actually doing something meaning full. Sitting out the pledge is disrespectful to those that bled and died or lost someone close to them. This country will always have problems and we shouldn't ignore them but seriously sitting out the pledge and disrespecting police officers is lame. Kaep is more about the attention he is getting than the cause IMO.

I heard DMC is actually like working with some community groups to facilitate meaningful discussion. That's what we should be hearing about... Not lip service... Not look at me... Actual real stuff.
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He is not just giving lip service, he has donated money. Beside the fact that he has started a discussion that is long over due in this country. A topic many white people don't understand or don't want to have because they rather just brag about America greatness while completely ignore it's real history. You can't heal if you don't acknowledge the problem. What is wrong with complaining about police? There are good and bad police and turning away from this leads to the situation that has been going on too long in this country. Are police above the law? I guess some people think it is unpatriotic for people to complain about injustice unless it only happens to them.

The idea that athletes should shut up and not protest because they are at the work place is ridiculous. The main reason why people are at the stadium is because of the athletes. They should use their position to affect change in society instead of just partying and taking their money.
 
cowhide said:
He is not just giving lip service, he has donated money. Beside the fact that he has started a discussion that is long over due in this country. A topic many white people don't understand or don't want to have because they rather just brag about America greatness while completely ignore it's real history. You can't heal if you don't acknowledge the problem. What is wrong with complaining about police? There are good and bad police and turning away from this leads to the situation that has been going on too long in this country. Are police above the law? I guess some people think it is unpatriotic for people to complain about injustice unless it only happens to them.

The idea that athletes should shut up and not protest because they are at the work place is ridiculous. The main reason why people are at the stadium is because of the athletes. They should use their position to affect change in society instead of just partying and taking their money.
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He said he would donate money... Show me the check stub. He wore pig socks in camp... I get that not all cops are good... The majority are and it is tough for us to sit in the judgement seat when they are making decisions in the heat of the moment. Wearing pig socks is disrespectful and helps nothing. These shootings have been horrific... And I understand that racial profiling happens, but making public mockery helps nothing. It all screams look at me.

Kaep just isn't the guy for me... his awareness campaign comes at an odd time. I prefer the guys that are doing good things like what Boogie is doing... You don't hear about it much because it doesn't sell. When it gets brought up it is by other people.

Athletes can do as they please but I hope their protests would be done with respect and their actions would reflect the change they'd like to see happen.
 
♪alt13 said:
ummm his actions have facilitated a ton of discussion, including your post. If it wasn't provocative it would be ignored. CK reignited discussion about BLM when it seemed to be losing steam. Trump and the ignorant backlash, stupid rationalizations, and downright apathy was reasserting itself. Kaep may be a douche and he probably is but he and his fellow players have done something good by sitting out the anthem.

PS Trying to shame other people into falling in line by putting police officers on a pedestal or pretending that our national symbols only represent fallen soldiers is lame. Our active military men and veterans are not that dense though it appears that maybe a majority of our police are.
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I have know many high ranking officials in the Air Force... They think Kaep is a joke. Don't have to place cops on a pedestal but disrespecting them with pigs socks likely doesn't help this country change. Respect is needed in both sides.

Awareness and social media conversation starting is good but doing things outside of public look at me displays will have more real affects.

Also part of this is the messenger for me... I'm sure he cares about the cause but I'm also sure he loves the attention.
 
Nothing. I didn't do anything when Brandon Marshall kneeled opening night for the Broncos.
 
I wouldn't care. I really wouldn't. I've never understood why it's necessary to play the anthem at every game in every pro sports league in this country in the first place.
 
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