STAYWARD

[Cappy_Smurf]

1. There was no way Hayward was going to make his decision today. That would have made the whole trip look like a dog and pony show if he just signed with us once he got back. It's too disrespectful to all parties.

2. Of course he's torn. This is not a normal free agency. With Boston, it would be a storybook reunion with his coaching father figure, playing for one of the most storied franchises in the game, with much more likely trips to the Finals near term, and the type of national recognition he deserves that will be ladled out in TV exposure and annual All Star appearances. With Utah, he would be walking away from an organization that is walking the Spurs path, where he defines the culture of the franchise, with the best center in the game, lots of great young pieces, and of course guys he genuinely loves. No matter who he picks, he's hurting people he loves, not just simply choosing what's in his best interest. (I don't believe for a second he's thinking Miami, but that's a meeting you HAVE to take.)

My gut says Utah. I'm like 60/40. But I wouldn't be surprised if he does something unorthodox and signs a 2 year deal with a player option instead of the expected 3 and 1. It leaves money on the table if he gets hurt (and kind of messes with the 10 year), but it gives him flexibility if something catastrophic happens on the Jazz.

Great points. Just the same, he's not doing Utah nor Boston any favors by dragging this out. Whichever team loses out looks like they just missed on their opportunity for a plan B in Gallinari.

Dude just needs to rip the ****ing band aid off and get it over with.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Great points. Just the same, he's not doing Utah nor Boston any favors by dragging this out. Whichever team loses out looks like they just missed on their opportunity for a plan B in Gallinari.

Dude just needs to rip the ****ing band aid off and get it over with.

Is Galinari choosing Utah or Boston over LA? I think if Galinari signs with them, its because he wants to be there.

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[billyshelby]

For my money, the Lindsey pitch is this: Boston has the draft picks/trade assets, Miami has a nice piece in Whiteside and they're gearing up for cap space, but neither of those teams has stability. Boston has a star PG who isn't going to age well and has to be resigned in a year, an aging Horford, and a bunch of free agents next year that have to be paid or traded. Maybe Ainge will spin it all into gold, or maybe not. But like Miami, there's no telling just who he'll be playing with in a year, or two.

In Utah, he already has two parts of a legitimate big 3, and both of them will be signed for 3 years. Then he has relative security in knowing for the next two years he's got guys like Rubio and Ingles, plus a stable roster he knows will play his brand of ball. That's a great foundation to parlay our younger assets and/or cap flexibility into that third star, especially if the Jazz win as they should. That's the Spurs blueprint and it's all happening.

 

[Jack Strop]

I don't disagree, billy. But,

1. Lebron still talks about the disrespect he got from Cleveland the first time he was there. Gordon probably still feels he wasn't treated right when the Jazz sent him on the road to test his value when he was a restricted FA.

2. There was also a time Quin said the Jazz didn't have a "closer." Then had to retreat off that phrase when Hayward called him on it. I don't think the relationship between the two has been completely rosy. And that might be evident in the complimentary way Hayward has talked about Spoelstra and Stevens.

3. Gordon has also talked about the losing. Though denied, there was a rumor he may even asked for a trade before last season. Was that what finally spurred Lindsey to bring in JJ and trade for Hill and Diaw. Was Dennis hoping for another lottery pick and THEN expecting to sign Gordon to a max deal?

I think there are plenty of legit reasons why Hayward may want to leave. Lindsey even opened up about the "scars" in an interview. Can't find it or I'd link it here.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

To be honest, I don't see how playing with a 32 year-old Horford who doesn't rebound and a 29 year-old, 5'8" shoot-first PG with an injured hip is attractive. The main appeal has to be getting out of the west and being on tv more.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

To be honest, I don't see how playing with a 32 year-old Horford who doesn't rebound and a 29 year-old, 5'8" shoot-first PG with an injured hip is attractive. The main appeal has to be getting out of the west and being on tv more.

I guess it's the best option back east but are they for sure better than the wiz and raps? What if IT doesn't come back 100?

This team barely beat th bulls and wiz... we beat the clips on one leg and we've gotten better.

I will be devastated if he leaves.

 

[billyshelby]

I don't disagree, billy. But,

1. Lebron still talks about the disrespect he got from Cleveland the first time he was there. Gordon probably still feels he wasn't treated right when the Jazz sent him on the road to test his value when he was a restricted FA.

2. There was also a time Quin said the Jazz didn't have a "closer." Then had to retreat off that phrase when Hayward called him on it. I don't think the relationship between the two has been completely rosy. And that might be evident in the complimentary way Hayward has talked about Spoelstra and Stevens.

3. Gordon has also talked about the losing. Though denied, there was a rumor he may even asked for a trade before last season. Was that what finally spurred Lindsey to bring in JJ and trade for Hill and Diaw. Was Dennis hoping for another lottery pick and THEN expecting to sign Gordon to a max deal?

I think there are plenty of legit reasons why Hayward may want to leave. Lindsey even opened up about the "scars" in an interview. Can't find it or I'd link it here.

Fair points, but my personal opinion is when you make a decision of this magnitude, you put perceived slights in the past. The good far outweighs the bad and I think Hayward is mature enough to understand how to separate the business from the personal.

 

[billyshelby]

Wow. First post on three years. I was actually wondering what happened with you s couple days ago.

I'll go back to my hole soon enough. But I'm on pin and needles like everyone else. Good to see a lot of the old posters like yourself still here.

 

[Jack Strop]

Fair points, but my personal opinion is when you make a decision of this magnitude, you put perceived slights in the past. The good far outweighs the bad and I think Hayward is mature enough to understand how to separate the business from the personal.

Agree. Then you have to consider what the family wants. Personally, I would hate living in Miami. I enjoy the seasons, but I also hate the extreme cold. Well, maybe Utah isn't as bad as the Northeast, but I still hate the cold. Give me some snow at Christmas, but then I'm done with it!

And I think it's valid to want to be a perennial all-star. Sure it's a bit cheap, but he'd be a lock every year in the EC. And we all know Cleveland is breaking up. The only decent teams left in the EC would be Boston and an up-and-coming Philly team, with Miami a dark horse (unless Hayward signs there). Hayward could at least go to the Finals almost every year. Then Boston only has to hope for an injury to GS. Stay in the West and EVERY round is a battle.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

Agree. Then you have to consider what the family wants. Personally, I would hate living in Miami. I enjoy the seasons, but I also hate the extreme cold. Well, maybe Utah isn't as bad as the Northeast, but I still hate the cold. Give me some snow at Christmas, but then I'm done with it!

And I think it's valid to want to be a perennial all-star. Sure it's a bit cheap, but he'd be a lock every year in the EC. And we all know Cleveland is breaking up. The only decent teams left in the EC would be Boston and an up-and-coming Philly team, with Miami a dark horse (unless Hayward signs there). Hayward could at least go to the Finals almost every year. Then Boston only has to hope for an injury to GS. Stay in the West and EVERY round is a battle.

Philly will be better than Boston within a couple of years, their top end talent is freaking scary

 

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[Sean]

I don't disagree, billy. But,

1. Lebron still talks about the disrespect he got from Cleveland the first time he was there. Gordon probably still feels he wasn't treated right when the Jazz sent him on the road to test his value when he was a restricted FA.

2. There was also a time Quin said the Jazz didn't have a "closer." Then had to retreat off that phrase when Hayward called him on it. I don't think the relationship between the two has been completely rosy. And that might be evident in the complimentary way Hayward has talked about Spoelstra and Stevens.

3. Gordon has also talked about the losing. Though denied, there was a rumor he may even asked for a trade before last season. Was that what finally spurred Lindsey to bring in JJ and trade for Hill and Diaw. Was Dennis hoping for another lottery pick and THEN expecting to sign Gordon to a max deal?

I think there are plenty of legit reasons why Hayward may want to leave. Lindsey even opened up about the "scars" in an interview. Can't find it or I'd link it here.

Good points but I think most of it is overblown. You'll find a great deal of players have ups and downs with a franchise. Just look at Malone here. Thing is, you typically move on. Yes, if you don't, if you let it eat at you, stuff like that acts as fodder to leave. We saw it with DWill. Yet there is no indication, especially this past season, Hayward holds any ill-will toward the Jazz.

In fact, if he did, I don't think we'd be here. I think Hayward would have already signed with Boston or informed the Jazz he wasn't interested. But all indicators suggest that isn't the case.

Does that mean I don't think he leaves? No. I actually am leaning toward the idea he's gone. But I think it'll be because he might sense an opportunity that is too good to pass up. Not only can he reunite with his old coach, he can get out of the shadow of some monster players and chart a path that might not be available in Utah because it's Utah and they're also now in the loaded west.

Plus, he could look at it as an easy path to the conference finals every year and while it might end in a loss, it sure beats losing in the second round most years.