Hotdog
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He is also worth looking at because we need to think about picking up value for later trades.
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He is also worth looking at because we need to think about picking up value for later trades.
LoPo
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I have always been a big fan of Randle. Does he fit well next to Gobert? Not really, but he is a very valuable player if we were to go small.
If you were to give me the option of starting Randle at C or Favors at C, I would go with Randle. He is a mismatch nightmare because of his speed, athleticism and ability to handle the ball. If he played with better teammates and a better coach, I think he would resemble Draymond when Draymond plays the 5. Randle is the type of guy who will be a pro for 10-12 years because he does the little things and he plays his butt off.
If you gave me Favors for 2 years and $22-25 million or Randle for 4 years and $40-45, I would pick Randle all day.
If you were to give me the option of starting Randle at C or Favors at C, I would go with Randle. He is a mismatch nightmare because of his speed, athleticism and ability to handle the ball. If he played with better teammates and a better coach, I think he would resemble Draymond when Draymond plays the 5. Randle is the type of guy who will be a pro for 10-12 years because he does the little things and he plays his butt off.
If you gave me Favors for 2 years and $22-25 million or Randle for 4 years and $40-45, I would pick Randle all day.
Hotdog
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I agree, Favors is better.
Again, 23 years old. Cant shoot 3's well right now. Has been a consistent 70%plus FT shooter for his entire career. He has consistently improved his FG% every year. Those are all sign that he can get better at shooting 3's. He is at least shooting some too and making some of them. Thats more than anyone can say for Ben Simmons. But yet Ben Simmons is the next great thing according to some.
Hotdog
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When comparing Favors and Randle they are the same at shooting. Randle is younger and probably has a better chance at becoming a 3pt shooter.
The one things Favors is better at is rim protection, which I value above all else, but Randle pretty much is better at everything else. How is he not at least worth considering?
The one things Favors is better at is rim protection, which I value above all else, but Randle pretty much is better at everything else. How is he not at least worth considering?
Would we really have enough cap space next offseason to sign two max players? I know we should have enough to sign one, but I'm not sure about two.
Engorged On Unborn Gore
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Sure, consider Randle for as long as you need to. Then refrain from signing him.
I’m not saying he isn’t a good player. Just that this team doesn’t need him.
I’m not saying he isn’t a good player. Just that this team doesn’t need him.
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Randle is basically a 5
Engorged On Unborn Gore
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A 5 that can’t protect the rim.
Hotdog
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The hate has to stop. Its irrational. He isnt completely inept at protecting the rim.
Here are few highlights of him protecting the rim.
The more we discuss this the more Im on board with getting him. The league is changing. Having a 5 that is super mobile is a huge plus. It gives us that versatility that we need to change it up and go small. He is really the best candidate out there right now to do this.
Favors is also better at switching on defense. He is one of the better bigs in the league at this. His defense is so much better than Randle. Favors also has good chemistry with the team and particularly Mitchell and Rubio. Favors also knows the system. Favors also plays without plays ran for him and does the dirty work for the team. That is why his stats suffer but he helps the team win and cares about winning. I do not think the same is true of randle. Favors blocks out better and is a better rebounder. There is a reason Favors is #1 in the NBA at contested rebounds of any player getting significant time. His contested rebound is 50% compared to Randle at 39%.
Advanced stats also heavily favor Favors despite the fact that not many plays get run for him. Favors has a net rating of +15 in the regular season compared to Randles +5. He also has a much better VORP, OBPM, DBPM, Offensive Win Shares, and Defensive Win Shares. Randle does have a better PER but that is because he is relied on and plays are ran for him a lot more so he gets better box scores. But when the Jazz needed Favors more in the past and used him his was better. Plus Favors steps up in the playoffs.
Favors also works very hard and puts a lot of effort into being better and has been working a lot on his shot this year. I feel more optimistic that he will become an okay 3 point shooter, at least from his spots that the coaches want.
Favors is also a bigger stronger body that is well needed for our team. Many of the bigs that push Gobert around Favors can handle. That is not true of Randle.
People really under value Favors and his contributions when healthy. That is the only concern with Favors is his health.
Engorged On Unborn Gore
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A few indeed.
What are you willing to pay to pry him from LA?
What are you willing to pay to pry him from LA?
Only thing you left out Ron is that Favors also wants to be at the Jazz and is on record saying it.
And has a comfort level/chemistry here that Randle doesn't.
LoPo
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You don't pay them anything. You hope that LA renounces him so they can sign PG and LeBron. If they do that, you hope that Randle can come cheap. Go to the Jazz Free Agency Summer 2018 thread to see the number breakdown I did.
homeytennis
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I read an article that said the Clips might be having a moving sale with their two first round picks basically at all positions.
I don't think anyone is saying he literally cannot protect the rim, so highlights don't really change the statistical reality that he is not a good rim protector. 0.7 blocks per 36 minutes is pretty weak, especially for a guy that played mostly the 5 off the bench last year.
This is a thread about 4s, and that's more about fit than it is basically anything else. Randle doesn't excel at either of the things we'd need him to excel at. He just doesn't. It doesn't mean he isn't a good basketball player or that there aren't situations that would suit him and his team. This is not that situation.
Even if we were talking about 5s, backups are a dime a dozen in this league. And he still doesn't protect the rim very well, which is an even bigger problem in that role. I'd much rather just keep Udoh and hope Bradley turns into anything.
He's a really productive player, and that's a very relevant thing to consider, but the fit is just not there for this team (especially since I want the Jazz to make conservative moves in order to leave room for big moves [which this isn't]).
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I'm sorry, could you re-write that and maybe provide links? I'm having a hard time understanding.
The Clippers want to use their picks to offload salary so we need to trade teh Burks for Harris and the guys they drafted this year.
Engorged On Unborn Gore
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What I meant is that he’s restricted. The Lakers can match if things don’t go their way in FA. So what overpay is what I was asking.
homeytennis
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Right now they have six guards with guaranteed contracts. De Andre Jordan wants out so basically they are going to have to move some players before the season starts. There might be a player in the mix the Jazz could use. It sounds like no player is an untouchable.