Sportando: Stanton Kidd expected to sign with the Jazz

[Handlogten's Heros]

A few things:

1. If people like both Niang and Kidd and would be sad to see one go, it's another frustration with the roster spot occupied by a person whose ceiling with this team is a 15 mpg backup.

2. Remind me how many games/days a two-way can be on the parent roster? (I know that is a statement and not a question, but it's hard to essentially ask a question in the form of a statement).

3. HH, have you ever identified who this "higher up" was?

1- I know... right? Maybe he is ready next year.

2- 45 I believe

3- It was Dave Friedman... he was the VP of something or other... didn't see him there this year. Didn't see Walt either... only front office guy was Dennis Lindsey (that I recognized).

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

It's probably a camp invite or 2-way type of deal... This was somewhat expected... unless it's the full-time contract. We'll see when more information comes I guess.

I can’t find anything about Kidd and the jazz other then SL stuff. Is this guy reliable?

 

[MDAV28]

Yeah, but his full guarantee number was 1.3 million (and it was 450K guaranteed according to hoops hype). So they willingly paid him nearly an extra million just to get him in training camp to compete for a roster spot. The first year of Kidd's rookie contract would be 840K, so it would not be unprecedented for Utah to pay that amount just to get someone in training camp.

The $1.3 seemed high and this says his total for the second year was only $900k so half was guaranteed. Not sure which is right, but $900k sounds more right to me.

http://www.standard.net/Utah-Jazz/2016/08/24/joel-bolomboy-contract-salary-utah-jazz

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah, but his full guarantee number was 1.3 million (and it was 450K guaranteed according to hoops hype). So they willingly paid him nearly an extra million just to get him in training camp to compete for a roster spot. The first year of Kidd's rookie contract would be 840K, so it would not be unprecedented for Utah to pay that amount just to get someone in training camp.

His guarantee date was actually in January 2017 for the 2017-18 year, so he was already a sunk cost by the preseason. So the Jazz guaranteed Royce to compete for that spot...

I think the Niang/Kidd is different though and because I don't think we'd throw guaranteed money at both just to bring them to camp. I think they had doubts on Joel and liked Royce... one was a sunk cost, so to get Royce (who many thought was going to get guaranteed money) they had to give out real money.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The $1.3 seemed high and this says his total for the second year was only $900k so half was guaranteed. Not sure which is right, but $900k sounds more right to me.

http://www.standard.net/Utah-Jazz/2016/08/24/joel-bolomboy-contract-salary-utah-jazz

Those contracts were grossed up for cap mechanics... we may have only had to pay the $900k with the rest coming from some league slush fund thingy... like how teams only pay a certain amount of minimum deals and the rest is subsidized by the league.

 

[MDAV28]

Those contracts were grossed up for cap mechanics... we may have only had to pay the $900k with the rest coming from some league slush fund thingy... like how teams only pay a certain amount of minimum deals and the rest is subsidized by the league.

I'm pretty sure that's only for vets on the minimum. Not rookie minimums.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Well then they still opted to keep him on and give him more than double that for his full guarantee number.

According to basketball reference he was already guaranteed... the guarantee date was the year prior. Weird structure and they gave Royce guaranteed money to come into camp... so either way your point stands that they paid extra $$$ to bring more guys into camp than they could carry.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm pretty sure that's only for vets on the minimum. Not rookie minimums.

It was a one time cap spike adjustment... he signed the year prior and then they adjusted all minimums from 900k to 1.3M and because it was a weird one-time adjustment I think the league picked up the tab (I could be wrong there, but remember hearing something about that).

 

[MDAV28]

According to basketball reference he was already guaranteed... the guarantee date was the year prior. Weird structure and they gave Royce guaranteed money to come into camp... so either way your point stands that they paid extra $$$ to bring more guys into camp than they could carry.

I think it may have more to do with how the offseason went. The Jazz would probably prefer not to spend dead money like that but they also would probably have preferred to keep Gordon.

Either way I don't think the Jazz offer guaranteed money to both unless there's guaranteed offers out there from other teams, which by then it may be too late.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

His guarantee date was actually in January 2017 for the 2017-18 year, so he was already a sunk cost by the preseason. So the Jazz guaranteed Royce to compete for that spot...

I think the Niang/Kidd is different though and because I don't think we'd throw guaranteed money at both just to bring them to camp. I think they had doubts on Joel and liked Royce... one was a sunk cost, so to get Royce (who many thought was going to get guaranteed money) they had to give out real money.

Pretty sure it was October 1st.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Pretty sure it was October 1st.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/UTA.html

Half way down is where I found the information... not sure if it is accurate... contract stuff seems to have some variance.

 

[MDAV28]

It was a one time cap spike adjustment... he signed the year prior and then they adjusted all minimums from 900k to 1.3M and because it was a weird one-time adjustment I think the league picked up the tab (I could be wrong there, but remember hearing something about that).

Oh yeah you're right. So yeah it would have only been another $450k commitment when they guaranteed him for camp.

 

[homeytennis]

Would it be legal to give Kidd like a $500,000 signing bonus, sign him to a make the final 15 contract, and then if he doesn't sign him to a two way contract or a Stars contact with paltry GLeague money?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/UTA.html

Half way down is where I found the information... not sure if it is accurate... contract stuff seems to have some variance.

That would make more sense, but at the time it seemed to be everyone was under the impression it was October 1st.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think it may have more to do with how the offseason went. The Jazz would probably prefer not to spend dead money like that but they also would probably have preferred to keep Gordon.

Either way I don't think the Jazz offer guaranteed money to both unless there's guaranteed offers out there from other teams, which by then it may be too late.

Agree... maybe they sign both and guarantee like $275k (the G league max two way salary) this year and winner gets the spot. Not sure it's legal, but I could see the guys signing one of those deals. Have a mid October guarantee date.

 

[MDAV28]

Agree... maybe they sign both and guarantee like $275k (the G league max two way salary) this year and winner gets the spot. Not sure it's legal, but I could see the guys signing one of those deals. Have a mid October guarantee date.

It's not, the league prevented that loophole. You can sign them to minimum deals with the Exhibit 10 attachment which gives the Jazz the right to convert it to a two-way contract before the season. The problem with that is it can only be a one-year minimum which limits the upside from the Jazz perspective.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

That would make more sense, but at the time it seemed to be everyone was under the impression it was October 1st.

Yeah I couldn't find anything else, so it makes some sense... many of our reporters were also under the impression we could trade the NG players and take on salary too... Jazz are kinda tight lipped about this stuff.

Long story short... I'm a huge Niang fan but wouldn't be surprised if we picked Kidd for the last roster spot. He seems like he could be a good 3 and D type... get another one on the cheap and it really benefits your roster planning and budgeting.

 

[infection]

Long story short... I'm a huge Niang fan but wouldn't be surprised if we picked Kidd for the last roster spot. He seems like he could be a good 3 and D type... get another one on the cheap and it really benefits your roster planning and budgeting.

Yeah, but what if you've got a max guy like Niang locked up on a minimum deal?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah, but what if you've got a max guy like Niang locked up on a minimum deal?

You have a point... Niang is so fun... that touch pass on the break yesterday.

Maybe we cut/trade AB... I don't know... I need Lavar's power to speak things into existence. I could see both guys being high level role players, but Niang is more fun to me... in a Joe Ingles "how the hell is that guy good" way.

 

[Getting Traded]

We should trade AB to a team that will give him PT for a second rounder. He needs a reboot. I think he still has a future in the NBA but as the Jazz are now constituted, no way. If he had been able to transition to the point and be a Lou Williams-type player, he would've been great but he doesn't have the mid-range skills of Lou.