The Honesty of Transgender Identity

[One Brow]

How about an onbvious fact that he is a man.

Peterson seems like a female to me.

 

[fairweather]

If you go out with a woman, then you find you're not attracted to her because of masculine features, that's not discriminatory. But if you go out with someone you find attractive, then get uncomfortable when you learn they used to be a man and break it off, then I can understand how that can be seen as discriminatory.

No difference between those things, as far as I'm concerned. Next thing you know, we'll have "compelled dating."

Some people say 'it', but that's not great either. Wish we had a gender neutral singular pronoun.

I think "it" works fine for the baby, but I suppose "ze" is a better long term solution.

 

[Archie Moses]

Absolute statements are to be generally avoided, I agree.



Coitus is biological, marriage or other long-term relationships are cultural.



Steven Crowder is another conservative commentator. I don't feel like debating the range of guests on Rogan, just pointing out that so far, you have pointed out a conservative podcaster and two socially conservative guests for the "vast arrange".



Why? What part of it was interesting?



What "unjust or prejudicial treatment" do I defend?



Argument by definition, how fun!

dis·crim·i·nate
/dəˈskriməˌnāt/
verb

• 1.recognize a distinction; differentiate:

dis·crim·i·na·tion
/dəˌskriməˈnāSH(ə)n/
noun

• 2.recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another:

You don't understand the difference between caramel and butterscotch?



You recognized a difference and used it to differentiate between cis-gendered females and trans-gendered females. That's the primary definition of "discriminate".

My whole point of naming Steven Crowder is because they got into a heated argument over something Rogan disagreed on and he's a conservative. Rogan has plenty of liberals on his show and has many liberal viewpoints. I think you think you know a lot about Rogan, his views and his guests, but you sound like Cowherd talking about basketball.

 

[One Brow]

'They' sucks. Too bad we're stuck with it.

I agree to a point.

 

[Gameface]

Even with a sex change, I feel (in my experience) most transgender people are easy to identify because of their physical appearance often times has biological masculine or feminine traits. There are some that don't, but I still feel they should let people know they are trans.

I once went on a date with a trans. I met her online and she doctored her pictures to eliminate her masculine traits. When I picked her up, I immediately knew she was trans and it was very uncomfortable for me. I didn't want to be politically incorrect or make her feel bad - I know they have it hard and lots of struggles. But ultimately I was not interested in dating a trans and she hid that from me.

The story is longer, but basically I ended the date in the best way I knew at the time and I was respectful and understanding. It was incredibly awkward and she got upset and slammed my car door. I feel I handled the situation better than what I'd imagine most would. One Brow can call this discrimination all he wants.

I think a trans person Should be upfront about that in a romantic situation. Maybe not just for a first date, but absolutely before intimacy or any kind of committed relationship. As much for their own safety as having respect for the person they are dating.

 

[One Brow]

It should have been shared with me beforehand out of respect imo. I'm not interested in dating transgender people because I desire a relationship with a female born female. To me, it wasn't discrimination. It was deceptive and disrespectful.

Why do you care if they were born female?

What if they had XY genotype, but were androgen insensitive, so that they were born with a female body? Should they disclose that to you as well?

 

[One Brow]

That's hilarious, because Arabs have the same tradition, which I've always ignored. I even had a conversation with an uncle as a kid that went as follows:

Uncle: Why are you using your left hand to eat?
Me: Because I'm holding a knife in my right, and it's easier than cutting things with my left.
Uncle: But the left hand is used for personal hygiene, it's inappropriate.
Me: What personal hygiene? What are you talking about?
Uncle: You wipe your *** with your left hand...
Me: No I don't. I wouldn't have sufficient control wiping with my left hand.
/Uncle looks at me with horror.

I believe limited access to clean water has been a factor in this culturally. I heard there is a similar understanding in India.

 

[MVP]

No one threatened to fire Peterson

Still, he received two warnings.
In response to the controversy, academic administrators at the University of Toronto sent Peterson two letters of warning, one noting that free speech had to be made in accordance with human rights legislation and the other adding that his refusal to use the preferred personal pronouns of students and faculty upon request could constitute discrimination. Peterson speculated that these warning letters were leading up to formal disciplinary action against him, but in December the university assured him that he would retain his professorship, and in January 2017 he returned to teach his psychology class at the University of Toronto

 

[Siro]

I believe limited access to clean water has been a factor in this culturally. I heard there is a similar understanding in India.

Ya makes sense. Same with circumcision in those areas. Related to lack of water access.

 

[One Brow]

Well, you can certainly call him whatever you want on internet forum. But, if you would be an official somewhere where you would need to either address him officially, or issue some official paperwork, like visa - you would not be able to do that.

Why not?

BTW, do "gender neutral" people have their sex listed on their drivers licence or passport as "it"? X? I? what is it?

I am sure that depends on the choices offered by the governing body and the individual person involved. What gender did you choose to list on your license?

 

[MVP]

Off the top of my head, I'm instructed not to call our insurance products 'insurance', not to call fees 'fees,' that sort of thing.

Understood. That's just sale's strategy.

 

[MVP]

Why not?

Because you would be doing your job incorrectly and would be dismissed.