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John Stockton’s dirty little secret

Zombie said:
TLDW version is Stockton rarely used his left hand for dribbling, shooting or passing and thus doesn't deserve to be mentioned along with the greats.
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It's clearly not his left hand idiot. When he sets screens where does he put them, hmmm? Over his crotch in the center of his body.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Just like it’s true that you can’t believe everything you read on the internet, it’s equally true for stats. Had Stockton shot more threes the point difference would’ve been much closer. What isn’t close is assists and steals and fg%.

You’re every bit as bad as an espn analyst who don’t bother to watch games but only look at stats, and completely ignore the different era’s, lets not forget the rules of today are much more conducive to offense, no hand checking and less physical with more spacing. Just watching the two play, Stockton had the more diverse game. Stockton was a better shooter finisher passer and defender, and the most important category, he was a better winner and more clutch.

And you need to turn in your fan card, not because you idiotically think his stats are better but becauseyou deliberately chose the year before when Stockton had a lesser season, that’s why!!

And your anidiot because of your blind faith in pure stats, thread!!!!


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You obviously can't read stats very well since those things aren't true.

And lol at he just needed to shoot more and he would have had more points. By that logic CP3 just needed to pass more and he would have had more assists.

I don't out blind faith in stats.gain Hence why I think Stockton is better.

An no, I don't need to turn in my fan card.

Frankly you are too young to have even watched and appreciated Stockton. He was before your day.
 
Ron Mexico said:
You obviously can't read stats very well since those things aren't true.

And lol at he just needed to shoot more and he would have had more points. By that logic CP3 just needed to pass more and he would have had more assists.

I don't out blind faith in stats.gain Hence why I think Stockton is better.

An no, I don't need to turn in my fan card.

Frankly you are too young to have even watched and appreciated Stockton. He was before your day.
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Lmao. First, started watching Stockton in 88 dumbass!!

Second It’s a straight fact that teams and individual players shot less three’s. I never said Stockton shot less shots all together I said he shot less three’s and you can’t deny that had Stockton played during Paul’s era, he would’ve shot more three’s. Has everything to do with time period and circumstance


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Thee jazz fan said:
Lmao. First, started watching Stockton in 88 dumbass!!

Second It’s a straight fact that teams and individual players shot less three’s. I never said Stockton shot less shots all together I said he shot less three’s and you can’t deny that had Stockton played during Paul’s era, he would’ve shot more three’s. Has everything to do with time period and circumstance


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Maybe he would have shot more but passed less. He also would have shot worse if he shot more. Also you were like 10 in 88, too young to know what's happening.
 
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Ron Mexico said:
Nah, your memories from that age aren't accurate. You remember what you want to remember.
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That’s where you and I are different. Even at the age of ten I ate, slept, and bleed jazz basketball. In those days they played on the local channel KJazz, and only about half the games were televised, so when they weren’t what was a diehard fan to do but listen to the game on the radio. While I listened to Hot Rod sing his sweet jazz poetry my brain formed the images as to what happened from listening to Hot’s call. I was every bit the fan then as I am now. I remember!!


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Thee jazz fan said:
That’s where you and I are different. Even at the age of ten I ate, slept, and bleed jazz basketball. In those days they played on the local channel KJazz, and only about half the games were televised, so when they weren’t what was a diehard fan to do but listen to the game on the radio. While I listened to Hot Rod sing his sweet jazz poetry my brain formed the images as to what happened from listening to Hot’s call. I was every bit the fan then as I am now. I remember!!


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So its sounds like you have rose colored glasses of fond times for you. Thats great, it was a fun time to watch the Jazz.
 
Thee jazz fan said:


This is a YouTube slander video about Stockton called what was John Stockton’s dirty little secret. He basically calls him a fraud.

Since I obviously don’t tweet, can someone tweet him and tell him I said he’s an idiot.

Warning, it’s a long *** video
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Is it the nonsense about the home scorekeeping? So stupid. His career splits weren't much greater from home than away, and the Jazz were a historically much better home team than a road team in his career.
 
Zombie said:
Huh. Those stats seem to show that CP took more shots than Stockton, but Stockton shot a higher efg and had more assists, the only definitive advantage Paul had was in rebounds.
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Stock had more steals too. He was just the better player
 
Thee jazz fan said:
I disagree with that. The only reason the jazz made the finals the first time was because of Stockton. They might’ve won a game seven, but who knows. I’ve seen him take over countless games including that game 6 vs the Rockets. He was capable of averaging 20 a game but felt he was best for the team playmaking for others.

Yes, he played with Malone for 19 years or whatever, but he also played with a ****** roster overall besides Malone, and and no one at that time could beat MJ, nobody.

He’s the all time leader in steals and assists, was a great shooter, and defender till about 94-95 somewhere in there.

The one difference between him and the other great pg’s is they had great rosters around them. Other then Malone and a declining Horny, those jazz teams had a roster of backup at best players around him. The jazz just didn’t spend the money during his time.

Put him on Magic’s Lakers or have him play with Thomas’s Pistons, or have him trade places with Steph Curry.

I’ve always contended that he was the best ever at his position because he did more then anyone with less. All those great pg’s that won titles won because they were blessed with so much talent up and down there rosters. Stockton had Malone and an aging and declining Horny, a couple decent backup worthy players and scrubs.

Stockton was an absolute beast. Payton even said Stockton was the toughest to guard, and that was with one hand. Does that mean he’d have been the best ever if he played with two hands?


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It's difficult to argue that he wouldn't have been better, especially in the clutch. if he had played with both hands. It would be interesting if someone can find highlights of him going left. It would also be interesting to see if teams were routinely forcing him left in the clutch, and what the results were.
 
framer said:
The real "true dirty secret" is that John Stockton was actually left handed. He played exclusively with his right hand because it was the only way the game challenged him. Had he played with his left, he would have completely broken the timeline, the Jazz would have won 10 consecutive championships, and the NBA would have folded.

That's the truth, if you can handle it.
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Joe Bagadonuts said:
It's difficult to argue that he wouldn't have been better, especially in the clutch. if he had played with both hands. It would be interesting if someone can find highlights of him going left. It would also be interesting to see if teams were routinely forcing him left in the clutch, and what the results were.
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I’ve been watching old classics all day, and Stockton uses his left plenty. It just seems like he doesn’t because he’s not flashy or anything.


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Been watching old jazz games most of the day on nba tv, and loving it. At 10:30 mountain time if anyone is interested they are showing Jazz vs OKC game 6. That game too k years off my life it was that good a game. I’ll be watching and reliving DM’s greatness.
 
fishonjazz said:
Stock had more steals too. He was just the better player
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The year I posted Stockton had a lower assist percentage which is a more accurate than just assists. The next year that thee claims is better Stockton had less steals than him. It's overwhelming when you look at all the stats how many categories CP3 is better than a Stockton stats wise. I think there are reasons for that including different rules.


I dislike Chris Paul. I dislike arguing for him and I think Stockton was a better player. But in his peak years Stockton is factually worse on stats alone. I guess if you look for the couple things he is slightly better and ignore advanced stats and other things he is worse at, homer glasses make him look better.
 
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