Supreme Court Justice Kennedy to Retire

[JazzGal]

All crimes have a number of false accusations and mistaken identities, but no other crime receives the same level of skepticism as sex crimes against women. Even if the number is as high as 10% (highly doubtful), that still means 90% of the sex crimes are valid (and are still a tiny percentage of the amount of crimes committed). But for some reason people are willing to overlook that 90+% because of the slight possibility of a false accusation, and the presumption of innocence is typically toward the man. Why are people only concerned with the lives of men being destroyed when a vast majority of the lives destroyed are the victims?

And why don't we have the same type of horror about other types of crime, when our prisons and jails contain people who have been falsely imprisoned? Should we not investigate any burglaries because of the possibility that the homeowner sold or destroyed his stuff to defraud his insurance company? All homeowners are likely to be liars if a few of them are, right?

False accusations by women make my blood boil, and I would have no problem with charges being filed against those who use their personal vendettas in this way. But that would open a can of worms in this climate of "believe the man at all costs."

 

[str8line]

A friend of mine on FB just posted this:

"The complete and utter destruction the Republican leadership has inflicted upon our democracy was on full and painful display today. After watching that patriarchal, misogynistic, elitist, privileged display of entitlement, I am left with more dread, despair and fear than I had on November 9th. And I’m f*$&ing PISSED that they have so thoroughly corrupted the highest court in our land.

Enjoy your “victory” dudes. The end of your reign is near."

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

And why don't we have the same type of horror about other types of crime, when our prisons and jails contain people who have been falsely imprisoned? Should we not investigate any burglaries because of the possibility that the homeowner sold or destroyed his stuff to defraud his insurance company? All homeowners are likely to be liars if a few of them are, right?

False accusations by women make my blood boil, and I would have no problem with charges being filed against those who use their personal vendettas in this way. But that would open a can of worms in this climate of "believe the man at all costs."

This isn't a climate of "believe a man at all costs." Real criminal accusations are held to a standard of requiring evidence, including time, place, forensic evidence and witness testimony (if available). Ford's accusations don't meet that standard.

 

[JazzGal]

If this political climate has taught me anything, it is that making predictions about what will happen is a fool's errand. I will not be surprised if either party comes out on top in the mid-term elections. How people respond to any of this is impossible to predict. I suspect that the majority of my family will be delighted with how well Kavanaugh responded to that "skank," but I could be completely surprised.

 

[JazzGal]

This isn't a climate of "believe a man at all costs." Real criminal accusations are held to a standard of requiring evidence, including time, place, forensic evidence and witness testimony (if available). Ford's accusations don't meet that standard.

And this isn't a court of law and character testimony counts.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

And this isn't a court of law and character testimony counts.

Well, the vote could go either way. It becomes a question of her veracity vs. his, with both having political motives.

 

[JazzGal]

Well, the vote could go either way. It becomes a question of her veracity vs. his, with both having political motives.

I will be surprised if he is not nominated. Many people care more about abortion than sexual assault. He said, she said typically goes to the guy. She will likely have upset her life for nothing, but she can hold her head high. She represented well.

 

[Ron Mexico]

And this isn't a court of law and character testimony counts.

No one would question an eye witness of a theft like they do this. If a store owner said they saw a specific person steal from their store most people would just believe them. Even if no other evidence besides the eye witness existed. Even though both carry the same likelihood of a false accusation.

It's also baffling that people are living in this fear of false accusations. They are more worried about that than sexual assault despite the fact it is far far far far far far more likely a women gets sexually assaulted than a man to get falsely accused. Don't sexually assaulted or harass people and you have nothing to worry about.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I will be surprised if he is not nominated. Many people care more about abortion than sexual assault. He said, she said typically goes to the guy. She will likely have upset her life for nothing, but she can hold her head high. She represented well.

Hard to say. Trump either admitted to groping a woman or supporting the idea of groping a woman--e.g., "Grab her by..."--and it didn't stop him from getting elected President. Of course, in that case, he was running against Hillary.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Also him not getting nominated doesn't ruin his life, he's fine and had a good enough life without this nomination and will continue to be fine.

People on the receiving end on the other hand...

 

[str8line]

Well, the vote could go either way. It becomes a question of her veracity vs. his, with both having political motives.

Her motive might not be political. It might be personal. As in she waited until the most important moment of his life to **** him over.

 

[Deleted member 365]

I don’t know why republicans think that asking for evidence somehow change their minds about this. Republicans had trump on tape admitting to sexually assaulting women and they didn’t give a damn.

So it’s pretty insulting when they pretend that it Ford had a tape of this assault that suddenly they would change their views.

Republicans are full on ramming through as much as they can and delegitimizing anyone in their way (as all authoritarians do) as shown by Lindsey graham today. M

The only way we change this is to vote completely differently. This fascist cult needs to lose power all over and rebuilt with democratic ideals. Compromise isn’t a dirty word and respecting the opposition is necessary. Republicans never could admit that president obama was a legislate president and we are reaping the fruits of authoritarian speech and actions by a party increasingly bent on taking power.