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say NO to EXUM. the biggest bust since darko.

The two things stopping Exum from really being able to play the point was his handle and decision making, and both seem to have turned a corner in December. I would absolutely bet on Exum being able to play the point and continuing to improve those two things over him playing a swing man role and really needing to be able to shoot in the Jazz' system
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Not sure but I just looked at that draft and damn, it was really, really good.
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The draft in itself turned out to be pretty good, but the lottery was very disappointing when it comes to results vs expectations. Embiid is quite legitimately the only all star type player from the lottery right now, and outside of maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabye LaVine (huge emphasis on maybe) I can't see another one of those guys making an all star game in the next 3 - 5 years.
 
Sandman822 said:
The draft in itself turned out to be pretty good, but the lottery was very disappointing when it comes to results vs expectations. Embiid is quite legitimately the only all star type player from the lottery right now, and outside of maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabye LaVine (huge emphasis on maybe) I can't see another one of those guys making an all star game in the next 3 - 5 years.
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Maybe Aaron Gordon since he’s in the East but I doubt it.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Maybe Aaron Gordon since he’s in the East but I doubt it.
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He's actually been a bit of a disappointment this season imo. I've watched maybe 7 or 8 Magic games this season and it seemed like a season where he really should have been able to start showing out, but Vuc is outplayed him offensively and Johnathan Isaac is a significantly better defender than him.

One of my bold calls I made on another forum was that the Magic will trade him at the deadline and go forward with Vuc/Isaac as their starting frontcourt and Bamba as the 3rd big off the bench.
 
MVP said:
Do you have stats to back it up or it is just your eye test? Because mine says he is good at those things, not elite.
Like word elite should be reserved to special players who we have just a few in NBA ( Like for example Westbrook speed, Lavine vertical, Lebron Strength, Rudy's rim protection and so on) . Is Exum one of them in those things you mentioned? I do not think so.
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Yeah elite is hard to define.
Agreed if you mean top 3 in any category, he probably is not. (Although I am not sure I can name 3 better players for each of the things I mentioned?)

Definitely using the eye test on my observations. Considering alot of advanced metrics hate X, I am assuming there is a lot of box score noise that doesn't reflect players fg% when Dante is primary defender, or the level of deterrence he provides for dribble penetration. I'm convinced DRPM in particular loves blocks and steals way too much.
 
Dante has various "elite" attributes.
- Height/Length combo
- 1st step
- Lateral quickness

I think Exum has some "elite" qualities in his mental makeup also.
 
franklin said:
As the original Exum hating gangsta, there's next to nothing that would get me to give up on the Jazz organization, except for drafting Exum. That's Warriors level idiocy. I hope he goes to LA. I'd rather max CJ Miles with a five year contract, listen to David Locke announcing replays in a 72 hour non-stop marathon, and drink any Miller beer product.
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I can tell from the way you express yourself that are British true, Union Jack and all that.

It's that understated style of expressing deep convictions.....

my brother doesn't like Exum either, still thinks DM could be good, still thinks coach is rock bottom.
 
Douchebag K said:
i think that's a silly comment given the dude's had to come back from 2 season ending injuries, have his time cut due to coach's decisions and had to keep persisting
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His mental fortitude to come back from season ending injuries and still be grinding is great, but it's hard to say his mental make up is "elite" because of that is the general point. I struggle to think of any way to really justify him having elite mental makeup but I also think it's better than what the average person would currently give him credit for.
 
Sandman822 said:
His mental fortitude to come back from season ending injuries and still be grinding is great, but it's hard to say his mental make up is "elite" because of that is the general point. I struggle to think of any way to really justify him having elite mental makeup but I also think it's better than what the average person would currently give him credit for.
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My point exactly. Elite mental makeup is ridiculous but you have to have mental resilience to come back from major injuries.
 
babe said:
I can tell from the way you express yourself that are British true, Union Jack and all that.

It's that understated style of expressing deep convictions.....

my brother doesn't like Exum either, still thinks DM could be good, still thinks coach is rock bottom.
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I don't get why it is so hard to see lack of bball skill in these projects. Spycam's tank for Wiggins cheerleading is still embarrassing.
 
Sandman822 said:
He's actually been a bit of a disappointment this season imo. I've watched maybe 7 or 8 Magic games this season and it seemed like a season where he really should have been able to start showing out, but Vuc is outplayed him offensively and Johnathan Isaac is a significantly better defender than him.

One of my bold calls I made on another forum was that the Magic will trade him at the deadline and go forward with Vuc/Isaac as their starting frontcourt and Bamba as the 3rd big off the bench.
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Whenever l feel let down about drafting Exum l always think about how it could have been worse being stuck paying Aaron Gordon 80 million.

Orlando was at least smart enough to heavily front load his contract . It actually becomes quite tradeable after the second year.
 
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candrew said:
Whenever l feel let down about drafting Exum l always think about how it could have been worse being stuck paying Aaron Gordon 80 million.

Orlando was at least smart enough to heavily front load his contract . It actually becomes quite tradeable after the second year.
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Yeah they did good on that. I'd also like to think that if the Jazz, or any of the other organisations immediately behind the Jazz in the draft, took Gordon that he probably would've developed more than he has with Orlando. They were a cluster **** for well over half his rookie contract.
 
I had to look because I thought Gordon was having a shaky year but he’s at a career best 37.7% on 4+ attempts from 3 and a career best 3.2 assists. His scoring like most everything else is down just a tiny bit, but I’m not sure he’s having a bad year.
 
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I had to look because I thought Gordon was having a shaky year but he’s at a career best 37.7% on 4+ attempts from 3 and a career best 3.2 assists. His scoring like most everything else is down just a tiny bit, but I’m not sure he’s having a bad year.
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True. At a closer examination it became readily obvious he suffers from a serious case of "Rodney Hood - itis"

There are so many games where he gives The Magic absolutely nothing. He'll have a 25/10 game and wrap it around 3 games where he barely shows up. Good defensive teams pretty much shut him down .
 
MVP said:
Are you serious? I could list you 15 players I would rather have then Exum.
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1. Cleveland Cavaliers— Andrew Wiggins, Kansas

2. Milwaukee Bucks— Jabari Parker, Duke

3. Philadelphia 76ers— Joel Embiid, Kansas

4. Orlando Magic - Aaron Gordon, Arizona

5. Utah Jazz — Dante Exum, Australia

6. Boston Celtics — Marcus Smart, Oklahoma State

7. Los Angeles Lakers — Julius Randle, Kentucky

8. Sacramento Kings — Nik Stauskas, Michigan

9. Charlotte Hornets— Noah Vonleh, Indiana

10. Philadelphia 76ers — Elfrid Payton, UL Lafayette (traded to Orlando for Dario Saric and a protected 2017 1st-round pick and a 2015 2nd-round pick)

11. Denver Nuggets— Doug McDermott, Creighton (traded to Chicago for 16th and 19th picks)

12. Orlando Magic — Dario Saric, Croatia (traded to Philadelphiafor Elfrid Payton, Orlando also gives up future picks)

13. Minnesota Timberwolves — Zach LaVine, UCLA

14. Phoenix Suns — T.J. Warren, N.C. State

15. Atlanta Hawks — Adreian Payne, Michigan State

16. Chicago Bulls — Jusuf Nurkic, Bosnia (traded to Denver with 19th pick for Doug McDermott)

17. Boston Celtics — James Young, Kentucky

18. Phoenix Suns — Tyler Ennis, Syracuse

19. Chicago Bulls — Gary Harris, Michigan State (traded to Denver with 16th pick for Doug McDermott)

20. Toronto Raptors — Bruno Caboclo, Brazil

21. Oklahoma City Thunder — Mitch McGary, Michigan

22. Memphis Grizzlies — Jordan Adams, UCLA

23. Utah Jazz — Rodney Hood, Duke

24. Charlotte Hornets — Shabazz Napier, UConn (traded to Miami for 26th pick and a 2nd-round pick)

25. Houston Rockets — Clint Capela, Switzerland

26. Miami Heat — P.J. Hairston, UNC (traded to Charlotte for Shabazz Napier, Mami also gives up 2nd-round pick)

27. Phoenix Suns — Bogdan Bogdanovic, Serbia

28. Los Angeles Clippers — CJ Wilcox, Washington

29. Oklahoma City Thunder — Josh Huestis, Stanford

30. San Antonio Spurs — Kyle Anderson, UCLA

That's the first round, as listed on https://www.businessinsider.com/nba-draft-picks-list-2014-6

Probably not 15 players I'd take over Exum from the first round. But at least 7.
 
Alfalfa said:
1. Cleveland Cavaliers— Andrew Wiggins, Kansas

2. Milwaukee Bucks— Jabari Parker, Duke

3. Philadelphia 76ers— Joel Embiid, Kansas

4. Orlando Magic - Aaron Gordon, Arizona

5. Utah Jazz — Dante Exum, Australia

6. Boston Celtics — Marcus Smart, Oklahoma State

7. Los Angeles Lakers — Julius Randle, Kentucky

8. Sacramento Kings — Nik Stauskas, Michigan

9. Charlotte Hornets— Noah Vonleh, Indiana

10. Philadelphia 76ers — Elfrid Payton, UL Lafayette (traded to Orlando for Dario Saric and a protected 2017 1st-round pick and a 2015 2nd-round pick)

11. Denver Nuggets— Doug McDermott, Creighton (traded to Chicago for 16th and 19th picks)

12. Orlando Magic — Dario Saric, Croatia (traded to Philadelphiafor Elfrid Payton, Orlando also gives up future picks)

13. Minnesota Timberwolves — Zach LaVine, UCLA

14. Phoenix Suns — T.J. Warren, N.C. State

15. Atlanta Hawks — Adreian Payne, Michigan State

16. Chicago Bulls — Jusuf Nurkic, Bosnia (traded to Denver with 19th pick for Doug McDermott)

17. Boston Celtics — James Young, Kentucky

18. Phoenix Suns — Tyler Ennis, Syracuse

19. Chicago Bulls — Gary Harris, Michigan State (traded to Denver with 16th pick for Doug McDermott)

20. Toronto Raptors — Bruno Caboclo, Brazil

21. Oklahoma City Thunder — Mitch McGary, Michigan

22. Memphis Grizzlies — Jordan Adams, UCLA

23. Utah Jazz — Rodney Hood, Duke

24. Charlotte Hornets — Shabazz Napier, UConn (traded to Miami for 26th pick and a 2nd-round pick)

25. Houston Rockets — Clint Capela, Switzerland

26. Miami Heat — P.J. Hairston, UNC (traded to Charlotte for Shabazz Napier, Mami also gives up 2nd-round pick)

27. Phoenix Suns — Bogdan Bogdanovic, Serbia

28. Los Angeles Clippers — CJ Wilcox, Washington

29. Oklahoma City Thunder — Josh Huestis, Stanford

30. San Antonio Spurs — Kyle Anderson, UCLA

That's the first round, as listed on https://www.businessinsider.com/nba-draft-picks-list-2014-6

Probably not 15 players I'd take over Exum from the first round. But at least 7.
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BTW, this was considered the weakest draft in a very long time. But in retrospect, it wasn't all that bad aside from the top 2.
 
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