If Rubio re-signs he'll be the back up. Dante starting. Neto is pretty good to. I think the money u save on Rubio could be well used for another player. I think they should let Rubio go
Start Mitchell at the Point.
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Sandman822
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I agree with most of this but I don't think Rubio being re-signed is a surefire bet unless he has an impressive post season run. If there's a clear ceiling of a Rubio/Mitchell/Gobert team being a 2nd round team then you would like to think that DL would look for alternatives.
RRJazz
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That's why I wrote "very probably". It's not 100% guaranteed, but IMO it's certainly more than 50% Quin wants Rubio re-signed (at a fair price).
Sandman822
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Won't disagree with that.
LoPo
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Going into next season, do we need 3 PGs plus Mitchell and Grayson? If not, who is the odd man out between Rubio, Exum and Neto?
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Stats without context are dangerous:
Defenses let Rubio have wide open catch and shoot set shot 3s.
Shot volume matters -- spida's role is scoring and we need him to take shots, including stepping up and taking a tough shot when we can't manufacture an easy shot.
Donovan is and will always be a better shooter than Rubio
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It's really quite strange and amazing how much Donovan's stats this year are consistent with last year.
I mean check this out:
2017/18: 20.5 ppg
2018/19: 21.3 ppg
17/18: fouls per game 2.7
18/19: fouls per game 2.7
17/18: turnovers per game 2.7
18/19: turnovers per game 2.7
17/18: blocks per game 0.3
18/19: blocks per game 0.4
17/18: steals per game 1.5
18/19: steals per game 1.6
17/18: assists per game 3.7
18/19: assists per game 3.7
17/18: rebounds per game 3.7
18/19: rebounds per game 3.7
17/18: defensive rebounds per game 3.1
18/19: defensive rebounds per game 3.1
Shot attempts and makes, free throw attempts and makes, minutes per game, shooting percentages, etc etc etc are all very close to each other both years
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I mean check this out:
2017/18: 20.5 ppg
2018/19: 21.3 ppg
17/18: fouls per game 2.7
18/19: fouls per game 2.7
17/18: turnovers per game 2.7
18/19: turnovers per game 2.7
17/18: blocks per game 0.3
18/19: blocks per game 0.4
17/18: steals per game 1.5
18/19: steals per game 1.6
17/18: assists per game 3.7
18/19: assists per game 3.7
17/18: rebounds per game 3.7
18/19: rebounds per game 3.7
17/18: defensive rebounds per game 3.1
18/19: defensive rebounds per game 3.1
Shot attempts and makes, free throw attempts and makes, minutes per game, shooting percentages, etc etc etc are all very close to each other both years
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It's almost like he's the same player.
While I agree with most of what you're saying here, I don't think that the idea of starting Mitchell at PG is fans just reacting to what has happened in one game or a handful of games. Personally I think it is what is best for the team going forward and I would think that even if he was struggling in the role over the past few games.
RRJazz
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Watching Donovan play, he can be anything he wants. If he wants to be the starting PG, he will be. He's that good.
I still think (wishful thinking?) both Quin and Don want a PG sharing the ball with him for 82 games, not just a shooter. IMO Donovan is spending much more energy the last 3 games than before, and he was turning the corner 2 games before the PG massacre.
Jack Strop
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^Why does it have to be a PG?
What puts pressure on Donovan is not being a PG or SG. It's being the only ******* shooter at times. Favs isn't an outside threat; Gobert isn't. Defenses can let Rubio fire at will. Ingles is a good shooter, but it's not like he's going to score 20+. At most, maybe he makes four 3's/game. Defenses can live with that. If the Jazz could find a 4 who could shoot and a scoring wing, Donovan wouldn't have to expend so much energy carrying the Jazz. It's up to Lazy Lindsey to get off his expanding *** and sign a couple of decent players (and no, Niang doesn't count). Lindsey looks like he's been more interested in making donut runs.
What puts pressure on Donovan is not being a PG or SG. It's being the only ******* shooter at times. Favs isn't an outside threat; Gobert isn't. Defenses can let Rubio fire at will. Ingles is a good shooter, but it's not like he's going to score 20+. At most, maybe he makes four 3's/game. Defenses can live with that. If the Jazz could find a 4 who could shoot and a scoring wing, Donovan wouldn't have to expend so much energy carrying the Jazz. It's up to Lazy Lindsey to get off his expanding *** and sign a couple of decent players (and no, Niang doesn't count). Lindsey looks like he's been more interested in making donut runs.
Cap goes up 9m next season, Rubio resigned on the same money ain't a big deal.
Big question for me is has Exum turned the corner and can keep his pre injury form up long term? If yes I would vote to get in a vet point guard as back up, some one like Felton/Barrera/Mills probably save a few bucks and proven reliability. Or better yet Neto moves to number 2 and take a shot in the draft on a 3rd string pg
Big question for me is has Exum turned the corner and can keep his pre injury form up long term? If yes I would vote to get in a vet point guard as back up, some one like Felton/Barrera/Mills probably save a few bucks and proven reliability. Or better yet Neto moves to number 2 and take a shot in the draft on a 3rd string pg
There has to be a better signing option than Rubio to pair with Donovan next year. Please let there be.
Sandman822
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Bojan Bodganovic from the Pacers would be a great pickup if Mitchell/Exum prove they can handle the bulk of the PG minutes over the rest of the season imo.
Man, can you imagine Mitchell driving to the hoop and defense collapsing with BOTH Bogdanovic and Ingles in the wings shooting wide open 3's?
I get goosebumps just thinking about it...
Rubio makes 13.4m, Exum as a back up makes 10.6m. I think Neto would be entitled to a bump up next season. So the 13.4m question is, are we ready to put our eggs in the Exum basket? With the team hopefully getting ready for the playoff push, I'm not sure Quin will give the minutes required to make everyone comfortable with that decision or not. From all accounts Ricky is a great lockeroom guy, is he still that great guy with less minutes? Plus Rubio is only 28 years old, plenty of gas left in the tank, may think taking a reserve role if thats what is asked of him is premature for his age/career.
The way Mitchell is currently playing - whoever is happy to stay out of his way while on the floor and play great D should get the decision.
The way Mitchell is currently playing - whoever is happy to stay out of his way while on the floor and play great D should get the decision.
Sandman822
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I want to see what the team looks like when everyone gets back for a month or two before jumping the gun, but the returns of having Exum or Mitchell at the point with three shooters and Favs/Gobert as the big guy are super encouraging and the team is much more dynamic offensively with those lineups.
For example the Mitchell/Royce/Ingles/Favs/Gobert lineup in 29 minutes (small sample size but I like to think everyone knows that) has a 112.7 ORTG and a 90.2 DRTG for an insane 22.5 Net rating. The Exum/Korver/Ingles/Crowder/Favs lineup has a 117.1 ORTG and a 102.9 DRTG for a great net rating of 14.2 in 48 minutes. I think everyone would expect those numbers to drop a little bit but the early returns on these types of lineups are fantastic and if it turns out over the rest of the season that these numbers are somewhat sustainable then the priority imo should be to add as much shooting as possible which unfortunately means no to Rubio.
LoPo
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I still come back to the same question about next season. With Mitchell and Grayson on board who can both play some PG,
Who is the odd man out between Rubio, Exum and Neto?
It seems like a waste of money and a roster spot to bring all 5 guys back next season. If we do bring all 5 guys back, somebody isn't getting enough playing time at either PG or SG or both.
Who is the odd man out between Rubio, Exum and Neto?
It seems like a waste of money and a roster spot to bring all 5 guys back next season. If we do bring all 5 guys back, somebody isn't getting enough playing time at either PG or SG or both.