A Place for Conservatives

[Heathme]

I'm starting to think that Donald Trump is going to get re-elected in 2020, and quite possibly by a larger margin of victory than he had in 2016. The biggest reason would be that the Democrats seem to lack a clear identity and platform, other than to oppose virtually everything that Trump does. If Trump survives the Mueller Investigation and if Dems can't put together a convincing case for impeachment, it may look like Trump dodged their best bullets and came through relatively unscathed. At the same time, none of the Democratic candidates for President look particularly compelling.

This exact criticism was leveled at Hillary Clinton and is just as true now as it was then.

The 25 or so Democrats running for office are all ridiculous. Between the new green deal and their love of socialism they are going to practically force Trump to win.

 

[Zombie]

Rep ocasio-cortez said that moderates are just lazy people who refuse to commit. It's evidence this divide is being staunchly pushed at the highest levels of government. It's only going to get worse.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna981451

At no point in that video did she say moderates were lazy. I think her point is a valid one tbh. We are faced with some monumental issues (climate change, increased automation, student debt to name a few) that will require bold action to solve. Something "moderates," who in this country are really the true conservatives, are incapable of.

 

[LogGrad98]

At no point in that video did she say moderates were lazy. I think her point is a valid one tbh. We are faced with some monumental issues (climate change, increased automation, student debt to name a few) that will require bold action to solve. Something "moderates," who in this country are really the true conservatives, are incapable of.

So you are redefining moderate to fit the criticism you want to apply, since more people realize they don't really agree with the extremes of the parties so the parties need some way to keep those who don't agree marginalized. This is becoming more and more militant, imo. Agree with our extreme views or we will make sure everyone knows you are just "meh" and your opinion is therefore invalid. Sounds like a systematic approach to stifle dissenting viewpoints to me.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

She's got my vote.

 

[Zombie]

So you are redefining moderate to fit the criticism you want to apply, since more people realize they don't really agree with the extremes of the parties so the parties need some way to keep those who don't agree marginalized. This is becoming more and more militant, imo. Agree with our extreme views or we will make sure everyone knows you are just "meh" and your opinion is therefore invalid. Sounds like a systematic approach to stifle dissenting viewpoints to me.

It might sound like that to you but that's probably because your understanding of 'extreme left vs extreme right' is warped like most Americans, thanks to our amazing corporate media. When things like Medicare for all are presented by our media as a far left idea, although it's actually got mainstream support, it's no wonder this is the case. The Overton window has shifted so far to the right in recent years that what is commonly regarded as far left in the US is center/center left in the rest of the developed world. The idea that moderates are getting stifled is honestly a little ridiculous considering they dominate the discourse.

 

[LogGrad98]

It might sound like that to you but that's probably because your understanding of 'extreme left vs extreme right' is warped like most Americans, thanks to our amazing corporate media. When things like Medicare for all are presented by our media as a far left idea, although it's actually got mainstream support, it's no wonder this is the case. The Overton window has shifted so far to the right in recent years that what is commonly regarded as far left in the US is center/center left in the rest of the developed world. The idea that moderates are getting stifled is honestly a little ridiculous considering they dominate the discourse.

Thank you for using your flawless understanding of left vs right to correct my obviously wrong and flawed opinion, since there is no way I could possibly understand shifts in the political spectrum. I'm glad I have people like you to correct my thinking on things.

Oh and thank you for so clearly proving my point.

 

[gandalfe]

I'm starting to think that Donald Trump is going to get re-elected in 2020, and quite possibly by a larger margin of victory than he had in 2016.

You mean... an actual margin of victory?

 

[gandalfe]

The Trumpetariat is the whiniest group of SOBs I've ever heard of.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-a...inting-wants-it-in-the-smithsonian?ref=scroll

 

[NAOS]

And you've contributed nothing but spout sarcasm and douchebaggery. You don't have to be here you know.

....

It's tough to see this kind of development (i.e. when teenaged angst gives way to conservative dogma).

Heathme, would you do us a favor and tell us the truth about your age and educational background? (I know that's basically impossible for someone on the internet to tell the truth about)

 

[NAOS]

You seem to be under the impression that there's some rules of yours that I have to follow. I will respond to what I want to and not respond to what I don't want to.

The responses that you did give were typical liberal talking points. I would recommend reading some more and you'll find answers to those things. I'm glad we could agree on a few of the items.

lmao..

my guess: 24 yrs old; some college; currently being deluded by a low-level management position.

 

[NAOS]

Some of the conservative ideas I believe in:

• I believe in God and that He created this Earth and all of us. I believe that Jesus Christ is our Savior and that His Atonement is real.
• I believe the climate is changing, has continually changed and will continue to change. I do not believe that the world will end in 12 years as @AOC believes. Global warming is garbage.
• Liberalism kills growth and destroys economies pretty much wherever it is tried, i.e. Chicago, California, Detroit
• Individual rights
• I can manage myself without government intervention
• I want an option to privatize my own retirement.
• Raising taxes to give the government more power is idiotic
• I have the right to a gun to defend myself and my family and hunt for food if necessary. If you add more stupid laws restricting gun access, all that means is that the bad guys will have the guns.
• Government should be as small as possible. All wasteful organizations should be eliminated. People that suck at their jobs in the government sector should be fired just as they would in the private sector.
• Unions should be disbanded and are no longer necessary.
• Abortion is 99% evil and is killing an unborn child. I would only consider in cases of incest or rape or the mother's life is in danger.
• The right to life, liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness. I have the right to pursue it. That does not mean the government should try and give it to me.
• Minimum wage laws do more damage than they help. All they mean is that companies start cutting back hours and firing the people that have the jobs.
• I would like term limits in Congress. No one should be there for more than 10 years.
• I believe in and prefer actual discourse and sharing of opinions over fighting and bickering. (that does not mean I will not fight back however or stop mocking beliefs I think deserve mocking)

I'm really interested to hear more about your personal story. It'll be interesting to see how plausible or implausible it is that you've formed these opinions from first-hand experience within an industry.... or whether this list is simply copied from some Neo-conservative "10 commandments" somewhere.

(It looks exactly like the latter, btw).

Also, you appear to know jack**** about the history and development of capitalism.

 

[str8line]

lmao..

my guess: 24 yrs old; some college; currently being deluded by a low-level management position.

But he's gonna be rich as ****.

 

[fishonjazz]

You mean... an actual margin of victory?

Lol

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[Alfalfa]

The Trumpetariat is the whiniest group of SOBs I've ever heard of.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-a...inting-wants-it-in-the-smithsonian?ref=scroll

So classy. They should hang it next to the Mona Lisa.

 

[Stoked]

At no point in that video did she say moderates were lazy. I think her point is a valid one tbh. We are faced with some monumental issues (climate change, increased automation, student debt to name a few) that will require bold action to solve. Something "moderates," who in this country are really the true conservatives, are incapable of.

I’m sorry but this is a crock of ********. Bold =\= extreme.

This moderate label is simply meaning not extrememe in a position it has nothing to do with not having bold and energetic policies. These excessive wild policies are often what created this mess. War on drugs and Clinton’s crime reform bill anyone.

It means not supporting extreme **** like abolishing ICE or a border wall.

It may not be glitzy but that’s irrelevant.

 

[Zombie]

I’m sorry but this is a crock of ********. Bold =\= extreme.

This moderate label is simply meaning not extrememe in a position it has nothing to do with not having bold and energetic policies. These excessive wild policies are often what created this mess. War on drugs and Clinton’s crime reform bill anyone.

It means not supporting extreme **** like abolishing ICE or a border wall.

It may not be glitzy but that’s irrelevant.

Abolishing an agency that's younger than I am and rife with abuse is not extreme LMAO. This is exactly the kind of milquetoast moderate bs I'm talking about

 

[Stoked]

Abolishing an agency that's younger than I am and rife with abuse is not extreme LMAO. This is exactly the kind of milquetoast moderate bs I'm talking about

Actually yes, it is. Investigating it, enacting reform, jailing and charging agents when needed and holding agents accountable is far more important.

Abolishing ICE is ****ing stupid.

I’m sorry you confuse extreme with bold. That’s your failing. Not moderates.

 

[Zombie]

Actually yes, it is. Investigating it, enacting reform, jailing and charging agents when needed and holding agents accountable is far more important.

Abolishing ICE is ****ing stupid.

I’m sorry you confuse extreme with bold. That’s your failing. Not moderates.

Just to be clear, because I feel like this point gets missed, abolishing ICE doesn't mean we wouldn't have any immigration or border security, we'd still have border patrol and if there's one thing this country doesn't lack it's law enforcement. ICE as an institution does more harm than good in my view, honestly this is an example of shrinking the federal government that you'd think the small govt types could get behind.

 

[Stoked]

Just to be clear, because I feel like this point gets missed, abolishing ICE doesn't mean we wouldn't have any immigration or border security, we'd still have border patrol and if there's one thing this country doesn't lack it's law enforcement. ICE as an institution does more harm than good in my view, honestly this is an example of shrinking the federal government that you'd think the small govt types could get behind.

I don’t mind giving you this discussion. But to be fair to you I’ve been an *** my last two replies. I’m not in a mental place to give you a fair discussion on this tonight.

I apologize for my ****** tone. You deserve better from me. Have a good night.

 

[Zombie]

I don’t mind giving you this discussion. But to be fair to you I’ve been an *** my last two replies. I’m not in a mental place to give you a fair discussion on this tonight.

I apologize for my ****** tone. You deserve better from me. Have a good night.

Don't sweat it dude, seriously. Hope your night gets better