Engorged On Unborn Gore
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If Utah has hang ups and latent issues, Utah can do something about it. Not sure how I can make that more clear.
Jazz ban 2nd fan for calling Westbrook "boy"
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If Utah has hang ups and latent issues, Utah can do something about it. Not sure how I can make that more clear.
Jazzta
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I’ll let him speak for himself, and I’ll take serious offense if that’s the case.
Fair enough.
Jazzta
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I moved from Spain six years ago, perhaps I’ve lived here long enough to learn that “boy” can have a racial connotation in certain situations. That’s what I’m trying to learn on this thread, whether if it’s fair to expect that someone with my background or similar should have known about it before hand.
Obviously there are other words that one knows not to say when starting to learn a bit about social issues in the US, pretty much right off the bat.
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Keefe
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Your second paragraph made that abundantly clear. I more or less wasn’t quite sure what the paragraph on Westbrook was about. Were you admitting he has issues?
Again, perhaps a matter of interpretation? I would think you'd agree that it's not appropriate for a white person to tell a black person what the effects of racism are on black people. So, in that context, using "you're white" is shorthand for "this is an experience you can't fully understand unless you have lived your entire life in it".
No, I said you could teach them that. Not that you should, or must, or even might, just that it was possible. However, I do find it interesting that you read some sort of moral imperative into my statement about what was possible. Why do you think you read it that way?
So, since everyone can cross home plate, the fact that some people start on second due to institutional power use, and others need to pass all four bases, is not relevant and should not be addressed? How convenient for you.
No, that is how the world continues to stay the same. The world changes when people are wrenched out of the comfortable norm.
And many times it’s code for stfu. I’m telling your straight up. Its used repeatedly to silence dissenting opinions from whites.
It goes against the very nature of what the people using profess to want.
Now for your specific argument. It is foolish for a white person to tell a black person about the affects of racism on black people. And it’s foolish for blacks to sit there and silence whites and dismiss their opinions.
I’m not saying that there is any historical equivalence. Or even broad group based equivalence in today’s society. Their simply isn’t. One is clearly worse than the other.
But shutting people down will never lead to the end of racism. It’s about bringing everyone in. Not shutting people down. And far to often that’s the tactic used.
I think you have to be staggeringly uninformed to be unaware how offensive it is to use address a black person as "boy", and deliberately obstructionary to pretend to not know the difference between calling someone "Boy" and a phrase such as "Yeah boy!".
By the way, for those who are staggeringly uninformed, I would not refer to an elderly black person as "uncle" or "auntie" unless you know them intimately, preferably with an actual blood/marriage relationship.
Kevin Hart could have said, "I screwed up. I was hurtful, I was wrong, and I won't make jokes at the expense of homosexuals ever again. I'm sorry." and he would have been forgiven. Instead, he tried to justify his behavior. That was what destroyed his life.
Same as with Kevin Hart. Had he admitted it, apologized, and discussed why he knew better now, he would be fine. Instead, he denied it was him at all.
I assume you also disapprove of people who are not fighting for social justice, yet are patronizing.
Jazzta
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Well said, Aunt Jemima’s pancakes and Uncle Ben’s rice come to mind.
As a white male, there are some experiences that I don't, and never will, have an informed opinion about. When I'm intruding in those areas, I should be told to shut up and listen. However, I agree that some people will try to abuse that.
I don't know if you recall this, but when I first joined this site, and for many years afterward, I was virulently anti-gun. A few posters (IIRC, Bulletproof and some guy named Stoked) told me that I didn't know what I was talking about regarding gun culture, and that I needed to listen more. I suppose I could have gotten huffy about that (and probably did a few times), but when I got over myself and listened, I began to understand how complicated the issues are and how valueless my opinion actually was. Being told my opinion had no value, and accepting that, was a step of progress for me.
People should not be shut down, but some opinions need to be shut down.
Yep. You don't think those brands were named or started by black people, do you?
Sweet dreams, and as always, great respect.
Well, if we can't take advice from a knuckle-walker, who can we take advice from?
No argument there. For everyone doing serious hard work, there is another trying to ride the coattails without putting in the effort.