Jimmy Buckets gonna get MAX. Tobias Utah Bound?

[jjscap]

PHI has an interesting decision to make. Embiid is on a max deal and they are preparing to offer Jimmy Butler max too. And they paid a lot to trade for Tobi. Because of the sunk cost they will feel like keeping him. But how are they gonna resign him considering Ben Simmon's a RFA next season? Perhaps Tobi will make a discount to PHI because he's happy there. Otherwise it wouldn't surprise me if they traded Simmons away. Their new front office has been making such bold moves lately.

 

[Tragic66]

PHI has an interesting decision to make. Embiid is on a max deal and they are preparing to offer Jimmy Butler max too. And they paid a lot to trade for Tobi. Because of the sunk cost they will feel like keeping him. But how are they gonna resign him considering Ben Simmon's a RFA next season? Perhaps Tobi will make a discount to PHI because he's happy there. Otherwise it wouldn't surprise me if they traded Simmons away. Their new front office has been making such bold moves lately.

Ain’t happening.

 

[SCS]

They will re-sign Butler and Harris and then re-sign Simmons by going over the cap/tax using his bird rights. It's not that difficult of a decision.

 

[fishonjazz]

They will re-sign Butler and Harris and then re-sign Simmons by going over the cap/tax using his bird rights. It's not that difficult of a decision.

Might be an easy decision for the sixers but is it an easy decision for harris?

After the trade to philly harris shot attempts went down, field goal percentage went down, 3 point percentage went way down (43.4 to 32.6) number of free throw attempts went down, free throw percentage went down, rebounds remained about the same as did assists, points per game went down.


Hopefully he will want to leave


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[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

Tsssss.....

You naysayers sound like you've been neutered with a ****ing rubber band.

 

[colton]

Come on Fish, I know you don't actually believe this. Hyperbole aside, Boozer was an All-NBA third team player in '08. Hell, he was tied with KG for 9th in MVP voting the season before. He was also voted by coaches as a reserve to 2 ASGs. A cursory look at advanced stats shows prime Boozer easily besting Harris in win-shares, box plus-minus, and value-over-replacement player. Boozer's advanced numbers in the 2007 playoffs aren't just indicative of a top-15 player, they're top-5 player kind of numbers. He was actually 5th in win shares in the playoffs that year. Behind LeBron, Duncan, Manu, and Chauncey.

Harris is a good player and at not-quite 27, he may turn out to be a really good player yet. But right now, he's no Boozer. Impact-wise or in any other way.

Not to speak for fish, but Boozer signed with the Jazz in 2004 so anything after that is irrelevant when comparing how large of a free agent signing it is.

 

[colton]

I was talking about when we aquired boozer. He was a nobody.
Tobias harris is highly sought after. Lots of teams want to give him the max and would consider themselves lucky.

How many people would have given Cleveland boozer the max? How many teams were desperately seeking his services?

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Aha, fish spoke for himself.

 

[Scat]

He slipped in the draft and it was well known after his first year that Cleveland got a great pick.

Slipped is a bit of an understatement as he was picked 35th in the 2nd round.

 

[TheStormofWar]

Philly could and probably would go over the tax to keep Butler, Harris, and Simmons. Not even sure why this is a question.

 

[JimLes]

I was talking about when we aquired boozer. He was a nobody.

I should've read more carefully. Mea culpa.

 

[gregbroncs]

I hope one of these big name people sign just to finally shut these “it’s utah, no one comes here” comments the hell up.

Yeah, yeah. I know. But damn lol

It won't shut them up though. They'll just say it's a one time deal, Blah blah blah.

 

[gregbroncs]

Philly could and probably would go over the tax to keep Butler, Harris, and Simmons. Not even sure why this is a question.

Because they also need to worry about Embiid. They signing 4 max contracts? That's an expensive team.

 

[Keefe]

Because they also need to worry about Embiid. They signing 4 max contracts? That's an expensive team.

They’ll give it a year or two and if it’s not netting Finals appearances or rings, they’ll try to move one of them.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Bear in mind that if Tobias bets on himself by seeking a 3 + 1, Philly's advantage evaporates. Hell, they're probably working at a disadvantage because it wouldn't make sense for him to take a 3 + 1 on a team of ball-dominant assholes that care as much about talking **** as taking their craft seriously.

 

[Douchebag K]

Philly could and probably would go over the tax to keep Butler, Harris, and Simmons. Not even sure why this is a question.

i don't think it'll be their choice. If they're maxing and committing to Jimmy, I can't see Tobias staying

 

[SCS]

Might be an easy decision for the sixers but is it an easy decision for harris?

After the trade to philly harris shot attempts went down, field goal percentage went down, 3 point percentage went way down (43.4 to 32.6) number of free throw attempts went down, free throw percentage went down, rebounds remained about the same as did assists, points per game went down.


Hopefully he will want to leave


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That is the hope

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Bear in mind that if Tobias bets on himself by seeking a 3 + 1, Philly's advantage evaporates. Hell, they're probably working at a disadvantage because it wouldn't make sense for him to take a 3 + 1 on a team of ball-dominant assholes that care as much about talking **** as taking their craft seriously.

He’s not restricted but I’d throw out the poison 3+1 with a trade kicker and see if he makes Philly offer a contract that has some less than desirable details if you are trading the player. Make it clear we are signing him to keep him.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Philly could and probably would go over the tax to keep Butler, Harris, and Simmons. Not even sure why this is a question.

If they keep JJ and those guys it starts to get really tricky to feel out the rest of those guys... can’t use full MLE in that case because they’d be hard capped at the apron. Get hard capped and you can’t bring in minimum dudes. If they max them both someone is getting traded and they’d both likely know it going in... not a great situation when you already have some tough personalities.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Andy Larsen mentioned that Tobias wasn't happy with how his time on the Sixers played out. I'm not sure what his source is, but if it's not that radio station tweet then that is another drop in the bucket to get a little excited about.

I know that Brooklyn and Dallas are real threats, but my arguments against them would be:
-Do we know that Dallas will actually be good? Do we have reason to believe that Porzingis' freak body can hold up when there is literally no precedence for that? Does Tobias care that between likely being a vicious rapist, getting in street fights, and the particulars of his time in New York, that Porzingis might just be the ********* person?
-Do we know that Brooklyn could actually be good? It's great that they made it to the playoffs in one of ********* conferences ever, but are they actually good? Does he even know what team he'd end up signing with considering all of the maneuvering they might be doing? Will they even have the cap-space at the end of it all?

If culture and basketball are what he cares about most, I would be most concerned with Indiana.

 

[framer]

Not to speak for fish, but Boozer signed with the Jazz in 2004 so anything after that is irrelevant when comparing how large of a free agent signing it is.

How many all star appearances, all NBA teams, does Harris have?