Jimmy Buckets gonna get MAX. Tobias Utah Bound?

Discussion in 'Utah Jazz' started by Tom Pitt, Jun 1, 2019.

  1. framer

    framer Well-Known Member

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    When Boozer was signed there were a TREMENDOUS amount of teams that would have tried to sign him had they known he was available. The second he became available, the Jazz cancelled their appointment with Kenyon Martin (who was ALSO considering the Jazz) and snapped Boozer up like a West Valley mom at a clearance sale. Keep in mind however, that the Jazz had a pretty good advantage in recruiting a power forward who wanted to be featured. They also had cap space to burn, which they haven't often had in the history of the franchise.

    The league knew what Boozer was. To think he was some nobody diamond-in-the-rough that no one else wanted is absurd.
     
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  2. framer

    framer Well-Known Member

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    Frickin' HATE Indiana. That is why I am not caring about any potential draft targets. I already know that if I get excited about someone, Indiana will take them before the Jazz can.
     
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  3. framer

    framer Well-Known Member

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    Also, if Harris is happy playing the Iggy role for Philly, he sure ain't worth no 5 year max.
     
  4. Tragic66

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    I’ll shut up when, and if, it happens. Till then I still think we should overpay the Brogdon’s and Gordon’s of the world.
     
  5. NUMBERICA

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    Literally no one has said that.
     
  6. framer

    framer Well-Known Member

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    That is the assumption people make when they say "no free agent of any worth will sign here!" isn't it? Boozer, on the open market back then, would have been paid as much or more than the Jazz paid him. He was young and could have had a lot of choices, but chose Utah because the fit and money were there. So yeah, to get free agents we need to overpay, but do does just about everyone. The Jazz have rarely had a situation where they 1. Have money to spend 2. Have a spot that really makes far more sense than other destinations for a FA. 3. Match those two things up with an abundant FA market.

    The last time we had a lot of money available was after Sloan left and we had Corbin which was less than ideal. Today we have a good coach, a good team, money to spend, and a definite role for a FA to fit in. The last time we had that we signed Boozer and Memo. I mean we might strike out, but so do the Lakers most years. There isn't anything completely toxic about Utah, moreso than most other small markets.
     
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  7. Udidthizz

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    Harris has been traded around a lot. I don't find it hard to imagine that he would like some stability for a change, so a relatively stable and conservative organisation like the Jazz could also have some appeal from that perspective.
     
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  8. Wes Mantooth

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    The point is, he wasn’t as good a player or as big a free agent for the Jazz as Tobias Harris would be.
     
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  9. Douchebag K

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    I’m feeling mildly optimistic about Tobias after reading some things the last few days
     
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  10. framer

    framer Well-Known Member

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    Harris was 20 and 7 last year as a Clipper (this goes down slightly if you tack on his Philly stats) as a 26 year old. Boozer was 16 and 11 as a 22 year old. Neither were all stars or all NBA. Boozer was every bit as good of a prospect as Harris was, and if you account for his age, maybe even better.
     
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  11. Bawse Dawg

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    UGHHHHHH dude would absolutely love our system and team, he'd be beloved, no drama, and we'd be really damn good. He'd ****ing eat in Snyder's offense.

    God dammit, I want this to happen so bad, but I also know the odds.
     
  12. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    I may be misremembering but there were not many teams (or any) with space. So I think there was a very limited market.

    You are correct though Booze had established his value and was sought after. Memo was a speculative overpay on a bench third big from a stacked team.

    I think we have a great shot at Tobias...
     
  13. framer

    framer Well-Known Member

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    Boozer became available late in the process, which is why I think Cleveland thought he didn't have many options when they released him. I am fairly certain if we hadn't snapped up Boozer, Denver would have. They got Kenyon Martin after we dropped interest in him.
     
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  14. Jazz Spazz

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    If Harris goes to Brooklyn, doesn't that basically free up Russell as in they won't have the ability to match a Russell offer?
     
  15. NUMBERICA

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    Potentially. The issue is the caphold tied to retaining matching rights. I think they have one max slot either way. If they want two, D-Lo is for sure out.
     
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  16. Ellis269

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    Tobias Harris could be what Hayward was supposed to be.

    If Philly prioritizes Jimmy Butler, it (hopefully) provides an opening. While others are busy chasing the tier one guys, the Jazz should go after Harris like a tier one guy.

    Hopefully, the combination of being a playoff team on the cusp of contending, having a clear need for a guy like him and plenty of cap space will be enough to sell him on it. We’ll see.
     
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  17. David Stern

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    Dream scenario is that KD and Kyrie go to Brooklyn. That would mean we'd have a very very good shot at either Harris or Russell
     
  18. Wes Mantooth

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    It also needs to be mentioned that Boozer was from Alaska for ****’s sake and his favorite player was Malone. That, with Sloan here, was a much easier sell.
     
  19. Handlogten's Heros

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    It was literally that we were the highest bidder and no other reason imo.
     
  20. framer

    framer Well-Known Member

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    A power forward should have WANTED to play in Sloan's system (Kenyon Martin did), especially after being told he was a complementary player in Cleveland's system. There is a lot of similarities to fit with Harris here in Utah. He will get a ton of open looks and will be encouraged to take them. The Jazz need him to score 20+ a night and will move the offense to get him there. Not sure any of our competitors outside of Indiana do that for him. I know Philly won't. Dallas, maybe, but they are going to go through some growing pains for a couple of years, and you have to depend on Porzingas staying healthy.
     

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