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Jimmy Buckets gonna get MAX. Tobias Utah Bound?

fishonjazz said:
Tobias harris is better than boozer
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Come on Fish, I know you don't actually believe this. Hyperbole aside, Boozer was an All-NBA third team player in '08. Hell, he was tied with KG for 9th in MVP voting the season before. He was also voted by coaches as a reserve to 2 ASGs. A cursory look at advanced stats shows prime Boozer easily besting Harris in win-shares, box plus-minus, and value-over-replacement player. Boozer's advanced numbers in the 2007 playoffs aren't just indicative of a top-15 player, they're top-5 player kind of numbers. He was actually 5th in win shares in the playoffs that year. Behind LeBron, Duncan, Manu, and Chauncey.

Harris is a good player and at not-quite 27, he may turn out to be a really good player yet. But right now, he's no Boozer. Impact-wise or in any other way.
 
JimLes said:
Come on Fish, I know you don't actually believe this. Hyperbole aside, Boozer was an All-NBA third team player in '08. Hell, he was tied with KG for 9th in MVP voting the season before. He was also voted by coaches as a reserve to 2 ASGs. A cursory look at advanced stats shows prime Boozer easily besting Harris in win-shares, box plus-minus, and value-over-replacement player. Boozer's advanced numbers in the 2007 playoffs aren't just indicative of a top-15 player, they're top-5 player kind of numbers. He was actually 5th in win shares in the playoffs that year. Behind LeBron, Duncan, Manu, and Chauncey.

Harris is a good player and at not-quite 27, he may turn out to be a really good player yet. But right now, he's no Boozer. Impact-wise or in any other way.
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I was talking about when we aquired boozer. He was a nobody.
Tobias harris is highly sought after. Lots of teams want to give him the max and would consider themselves lucky.

How many people would have given Cleveland boozer the max? How many teams were desperately seeking his services?

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fishonjazz said:
I was talking about when we aquired boozer. He was a nobody.
Tobias harris is highly sought after. Lots of teams want to give him the max and would consider themselves lucky.

How many people would have given Cleveland boozer the max? How many teams were desperately seeking his services?

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Tobias Harris would definitely help us achieve that next level of success. Yes, the Jazz need to go after Harris. He will definitely add win shares to our developing team and has the ceiling to get better and better given his young age. He makes perfect sense for the Jazz system. (It took me some time to see it, but I bought in).
@fishonjazz, I respect you and all, but you have got to remember that Boozer wasn't a nobody when the Jazz got him. He was very well known and was expected to go as a lottery pick, or close to, during his draft year. He slipped in the draft and it was well known after his first year that Cleveland got a great pick. When the Jazz got him, there were several teams after him for a max signing including Denver, Charlotte, Atlanta and others. But I do think Tobias offers a different skillset in today's game that is more desirable based on today's style of play. Boozer was strong in a time that I felt the NBA product was watered down.
 
PHI has an interesting decision to make. Embiid is on a max deal and they are preparing to offer Jimmy Butler max too. And they paid a lot to trade for Tobi. Because of the sunk cost they will feel like keeping him. But how are they gonna resign him considering Ben Simmon's a RFA next season? Perhaps Tobi will make a discount to PHI because he's happy there. Otherwise it wouldn't surprise me if they traded Simmons away. Their new front office has been making such bold moves lately.
 
jjscap said:
PHI has an interesting decision to make. Embiid is on a max deal and they are preparing to offer Jimmy Butler max too. And they paid a lot to trade for Tobi. Because of the sunk cost they will feel like keeping him. But how are they gonna resign him considering Ben Simmon's a RFA next season? Perhaps Tobi will make a discount to PHI because he's happy there. Otherwise it wouldn't surprise me if they traded Simmons away. Their new front office has been making such bold moves lately.
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Ain’t happening.
 
They will re-sign Butler and Harris and then re-sign Simmons by going over the cap/tax using his bird rights. It's not that difficult of a decision.
 
SCS said:
They will re-sign Butler and Harris and then re-sign Simmons by going over the cap/tax using his bird rights. It's not that difficult of a decision.
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Might be an easy decision for the sixers but is it an easy decision for harris?

After the trade to philly harris shot attempts went down, field goal percentage went down, 3 point percentage went way down (43.4 to 32.6) number of free throw attempts went down, free throw percentage went down, rebounds remained about the same as did assists, points per game went down.


Hopefully he will want to leave


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JimLes said:
Come on Fish, I know you don't actually believe this. Hyperbole aside, Boozer was an All-NBA third team player in '08. Hell, he was tied with KG for 9th in MVP voting the season before. He was also voted by coaches as a reserve to 2 ASGs. A cursory look at advanced stats shows prime Boozer easily besting Harris in win-shares, box plus-minus, and value-over-replacement player. Boozer's advanced numbers in the 2007 playoffs aren't just indicative of a top-15 player, they're top-5 player kind of numbers. He was actually 5th in win shares in the playoffs that year. Behind LeBron, Duncan, Manu, and Chauncey.

Harris is a good player and at not-quite 27, he may turn out to be a really good player yet. But right now, he's no Boozer. Impact-wise or in any other way.
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Not to speak for fish, but Boozer signed with the Jazz in 2004 so anything after that is irrelevant when comparing how large of a free agent signing it is.
 
fishonjazz said:
I was talking about when we aquired boozer. He was a nobody.
Tobias harris is highly sought after. Lots of teams want to give him the max and would consider themselves lucky.

How many people would have given Cleveland boozer the max? How many teams were desperately seeking his services?

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Aha, fish spoke for himself. :-)
 
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