Official trade Exum and/or Bradley into cap space thread

[Keefe]

Maybe Kevin Pangos on the super cheap? He shot 45% from 3 on 2.9 attempts last season for FC Barcelona.

 

[NUMBERICA]

For the record, I think the Jazz aren’t reading any real interest in something like this happening and they are so desperate to save face and show Exum they believe in him that they are mostly-bluffing about how much they value him.

TLDR; he’s here because no one else wants him/his contract (and the Jazz don’t want to pay what it would cost to dump him). I would love to be wrong about everything about this topic.

 

[Revolution 9]

Either play Bradley or trade/release him.

I'm fine with either.

 

[LoPo]

K. I’m not talking 2019-2020. When you negotiate an extension, you can give a raise on years already under contract. If the Jazz had capspace, they could have the RAISE take effect for 2019-2020. They could do this to make the future years lighter per year or to structure the deal so that it’s more team-friendly than it might otherwise be (i.e. a team option somewhere [I think]).

I understand but I'm not worried about future years. We are clearly tied to this roster for the next couple years. I worry more about 2 things - the luxury which we are really far from and keeping Royce.

The salary cap goes up $7-8 million for 2020-21. It almost makes more sense to make sure we are over the cap so we have the full $10 million MLE. Conley goes up $2 million and Gobert, Donovan, and Bojan probably up $1 each. Ingles actually goes down $1 million.

So I'm fine locking Royce up even if it eats into 2020-21 space and beyond. He is worth it.

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[Keefe]

I feel less comfortable with our pg depth than I do who’s starting at the 4.

There are very few decent point guards left and a solid amount of 4’s.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Either play Bradley or trade/release him.

I'm fine with either.

The issue is he is already guaranteed this year and the Jazz don’t pay players to leave on miserly principle (although they are happy to pay someone to take up a roster spot which is even more wasteful).

I’m hoping a team with a small trade exception will take him. With Neto and Bradley gone I think the Jazz could offer ~$3 million to a player which is significantly more than the minimum.

 

[Keefe]

If we could trade Exum and Bradley to a solid team for a presumable late 2021 1st, that would be huge. Probably a pipe dream though.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I understand but I'm not worried about future years. We are clearly tied to this roster for the next couple years. I worry more about 2 things - the luxury which we are really far from and keeping Royce.

The salary cap goes up $7-8 million for 2020-21. It almost makes more sense to make sure we are over the cap so we have the full $10 million MLE. Conley goes up $2 million and Gobert, Donovan, and Bojan probably up $1 each. Ingles actually goes down $1 million.

So I'm fine locking Royce up even if it eats into 2020-21 space and beyond. He is worth it.

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I’m not sure you understand. The Jazz won’t have capspace for all intents and purposes next offseason, whether they extend Royce or not.

At any rate, the money in this theoretical scenario of opening $10-$11 million in capspace would be best spent on a PF, then on depth.

 

[NUMBERICA]

If we could trade Exum and Bradley to a solid team for a presumable late 2021 1st, that would be huge. Probably a pipe dream though.

Absolute pipedream. Confident it would require us sending out assets for someone to take on Ex.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I feel less comfortable with our pg depth than I do who’s starting at the 4.

There are very few decent point guards left and a solid amount of 4’s.

Who on the market is a believable starting 4? The list is quite short in my mind.

 

[infection]

For the record, I think the Jazz aren’t reading any real interest in something like this happening and they are so desperate to save face and show Exum they believe in him that they are mostly-bluffing about how much they value him.

TLDR; he’s here because no one else wants him/his contract (and the Jazz don’t want to pay what it would cost to dump him). I would love to be wrong about everything about this topic.

For the focus on not making a move to “win the press conference,” it’d be disappointing if they’d forgo making an improving move so that they wouldn’t “lose the press conference.” If that’s the case, they need to be consistent on both sides.

 

[TheStormofWar]

I’m not sure you understand. The Jazz won’t have capspace for all intents and purposes next offseason, whether they extend Royce or not.

At any rate, the money in this theoretical scenario of opening $10-$11 million in capspace would be best spent on a PF, then on depth.

It depends on a few things. If Utah does their contracts as 1+1 TO or non-guaranteed, we'll probably have a few million under the cap (114 committed vs. 117 cap). Not much, but there it is.

I think Conley has an ETO on his deal. If he exercised it and we did what I noted above, Utah has a boatload of cap. Declining Bradlely's TO, Niang's non-guarantee, and not extend Royce a QO takes this further. That said, I agree with LoPo. After the offseason (or even during), I would make it a point to see if Royce is amenable to an extension. If the numbers work and both sides are happy with how things are going, just tag and bag it as one less thing to deal with. 3/30? I'm not sure what his value would be, but if we could do that, I'd be happy as hell.

 

[Keefe]

Who on the market is a believable starting 4? The list is quite short in my mind.

The Morris’. Jamychael Green—moreso because he’s really solid and our other four starters are so damn good. Jeff Green. Vonleh. Parker. They’re flawed but they can be since the remainder of our starters are so damn good and they’d have Rudy behind them.

At the 1, I want someone who’s proven to be competent at running an offense behind Conley. Barely anyone left at all.

 

[Keefe]

And when I say starter, they don’t have to play 32 minutes a game. 18-24. Somewhere in that range.

 

[Keefe]

Diallo would be interesting because he’s so damn young (22) and can rebound like a fiend at 16th in the league last year per 36. Vonleh was 30th.

 

[TheStormofWar]

I wouldn't mind JaMychal honestly, but we'd probably have to work a S&T to get him at market value. Exum would be close to the contract value, but I doubt the Clips bite for that. If we got him for the Vet, I'm building a pagan altar to Zanik and sacrificing effigies of Scott Layden in his honor.

 

[NUMBERICA]

The Morris’. Jamychael Green—moreso because he’s really solid and our other four starters are so damn good. Jeff Green. Vonleh. Parker. They’re flawed but they can be since the remainder of our starters are so damn good and they’d have Rudy behind them.

At the 1, I want someone who’s proven to be competent at running an offense behind Conley. Barely anyone left at all.

I strongly believe the Jazz should (continue to?) groom Mitchell to do that job. I would prefer a large combo guard (Caruso would be perfect, IMO, but that list is indeed very short).

If Ingles is coming off the bench, I might just as soon prioritize shooting, switchability, and defense. Maybe that’s part of why they hope to bring him off the bench.

 

[Keefe]

Nick Calathes might be the best player in Europe and it looks like he made 2.55M this season.

I wonder if he’d come over or what his buy out would be.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Nick Calathes might be the best player in Europe and it looks like he made 2.55M this season.

I wonder if he’d come over or what his buy out would be.

Oh ****, really? He was my pick in 2009, haven’t heard his name in a while. Interesting.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I wouldn't mind JaMychal honestly, but we'd probably have to work a S&T to get him at market value. Exum would be close to the contract value, but I doubt the Clips bite for that. If we got him for the Vet, I'm building a pagan altar to Zanik and sacrificing effigies of Scott Layden in his honor.

We’d have to trade Exum into someone’s space and then sign him. NY might have been a candidate before signing Payton. It’s gonna cost some draft assets. His contract is a negative value.