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Mandating firearm education is not a very good look, domestically or internationally.
In a nation full of guns I think it's the only responsible thing to do.

I'm not talking about teaching people how to shoot. I'm not talking about having real guns in a classroom. I'm talking about teaching students how firearms work, the difference between a semi-auto and a lever-action. Teaching proper nomenclature (a massive point of division in any current gun debate, with gun control advocates constantly using the wrong terms, saying absolutely stupid things like hollow-points are exploding ammo or that they are "cop-killer" bullets). How to safely disable a firearm. Stuff like that, along with knowing when someone is acting inappropriately with a firearm, so that they can notify someone immediately.
 
Second of all, what I have advocated for for many years now is that in a nation with the gun rights we have, firearm safety and basic use should be taught in our schools. Their needs to be an emphasis on disciplined, responsible ownership.

Nobody can make the NRA do anything, but the NRA ought to be shamed into focusing less on blocking any and all gun legislation and primarily focus on educating gun owners on the safe and responsible use of their firearms. They should be at the forefront of setting the standards for when guns can, but more importantly when they can't, be used for self-defense.

But placing no hope on what the NRA might or might not do, assuming they'll continue to be more guns in more hands and if you get a little bit nervous start shooting, I think the government has a much larger responsibility in explaining when and where firearms can be used in self-defense.

I'm all for competency testing to purchase and to continue to own a gun. I'm all for a specific third-party (not hired by the seller, or the buyer, randomly assigned) psychological evaluation before purchasing and in order to continue possessing firearms.

I'm all for removing gun rights for any person who has displayed violent behavior that gets the attention of law enforcement, especially domestic violence. And when I say domestic violence, I mean by anyone in the house. You wife starts smashing your playstation controllers, cops get called, you no longer get to keep guns in that house.

I'm tentatively all for registration.

Its a terrible state of affairs when a reasonable, intelligent person sees this as a solution or step forward. Im not saying its not, its just ridiculous when the solution is obvious to the rest of the world.
 
Video game revenue was about twice that of firearms and ammunition last year.

Mind boggling how much money is wasted on guns. They're pretty stupid for the most part because they don't even get used.
 
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The kid in Dayton had an AR-15, body armor and ear protection. He was going on a rampage. Targets seem pretty random, except for his sister and her companion.

The kid in Gilroy, Calif. was reportedly spraying bullets almost aimlessly.

At a psychological level, we're obviously dealing with people who do not value human life, including their own. Just nihilism.
 
The kid in Dayton had an AR-15, body armor and ear protection. He was going on a rampage. Targets seem pretty random, except for his sister and her companion.

The kid in Gilroy, Calif. was reportedly spraying bullets almost aimlessly.

At a psychological level, we're obviously dealing with people who do not value human life, including their own. Just nihilism.

Funny you say that. Nietzsche is a fan favorite of those on the alt right. Richard Spencer quotes him at nearly every event he does. Trump and Mcconell in many ways express nihilism by rejecting science and democracy, fanning the flames of racism, and having absolutely no moral bearing. They’ve muddied the waters by claiming that “both sides are fine people” and equate western democracy as being just as bad as Russia. There is no moral right or wrong in the Republican Party. That has been replaced with loyalty or disloyalty to trump.

Really, when you think of it, we’ve been on this path for a long time. Ayn Rand and libertarianism put us on this path. Paul Ryan attacking government programs like education, health care, etc that helped people. Rejecting climate change after the Obama v McCain 2008 election. It’s clear that the GOP has been undergoing a metamorphosis in rejecting the values of the enlightenment in that science and human life matters. At some point we need to recognize that science, new deal democracy, and valuing human life is beneficial to society.

But as long as our leaders only care about money, nothing is going to change. Trump will be back to tweeting hate by Wednesday.

https://www.vox.com/2017/8/17/16140846/alt-right-nietzsche-richard-spencer-nazism

https://www.newstatesman.com/2018/08/why-nietzsche-has-once-again-become-inspiration-far-right
 
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Funny you say that. Nietzsche is a fan favorite of those on the right. Richard Spencer quotes him at nearly every event he does. Trump and Mcconell in many ways express nihilism by rejecting science and democracy, fanning the flames of racism, and having absolutely no moral bearing. Really, when you think of it, we’ve been on this path for a long time. Ayn Rand and libertarianism put us on this path. At some point we need to recognize that science, the new deal, and valuing human life is beneficial to society.

But as long as our leaders only care about money, nothing is going to change.

https://www.vox.com/2017/8/17/16140846/alt-right-nietzsche-richard-spencer-nazism

https://www.newstatesman.com/2018/08/why-nietzsche-has-once-again-become-inspiration-far-right

Are you trying to equate conservatives and Trump with nihilism and mass murder? That's both a real reach and a new low for you.
 
Are you trying to equate conservatives and Trump with nihilism and mass murder? That's both a real reach and a new low for you.

No, and if that’s all you got after reading my post then I got nothing for ya. Try reading it again and reading my links so you don’t continue to embarrass yourself.
 
Okay, first oF all, when we're talking about gun violence in the U.S. let's talk about the biggest problems first.

The biggest issue, by far the most murders, happens with semi-auto handguns. Add suicides and accidental gun deaths, semi-auto handguns are the biggest issue... by a lot.

But we don't want to address the biggest issue first. We want to address one of the smallest. High-profile public space mass shootings.

So if that's the problem we want to solve, don't generalize U.S. gun violence and then pretend you're addressing that larger issue when you're addressing a very specific cause of gun deaths that accounts for a very small fraction of total gun deaths.

So, public space mass shootings. Semi-automatic rifles are definitely the gun of choice. Partly for functional reasons, partly because these rifles are in style and the best selling firearms over the last decade or so. They are currently the F150 of firearms, more than most their owners ever need, but when you're keeping up with the bubbas it's pretty much a must have.

These semi-auto rifles have a ****-ton of fun accessories that can be clamped right on them, from red dot heads-up sights, to flashlights, to bipods, to bull-pup fore grips, and on and on and on. But the big one, the one that makes these easy for low skill shooters to do a lot of damage with in these mass shootings are the magazines with large capacities. Commonly known as hi-cap mags, these most often come in 20-round and 30-round capacities, but you can get more. If you want a lot more you can get those drum magazines.

These AR-15 rifles are pretty easy to shoot. The recoil isn't bad at all, they are light for what they are. They aren't too long so you can swing the barrel around pretty easily.

So this is top of the list for "reasonable gun control." First, they may do what California has done, and restrict the number of "assault style features" you can have. So things like collapsable stock, detachable magazine, flash suppressor, fore grip, etc. But the only one that really matters is the magazine capacity and having a detachable magazine. The rest are either just very practical features that in some cases make the gun safer to use, like the adjustable stock, which makes it so the user can properly hold the rifle, or they're mostly cosmetic but have minimal benefits that have never really come into play in these mass shootings, like a flash suppressors. The fore grip looks aggressive, but it's purely cosmetic and really just allows a person to shoot less accurately, which makes the gun less safe even when used responsibly.

So if you want to limit magazine capacity and not allow semi-auto rifles to have detachable magazines... say that.

If you don't want any semi-auto rifles at all... say that (you'll be banning a lot of legitimate hunting rifles if that's the rule)

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This is a semi-auto Remington 7400 30-06. This is a hunting rifle.

But while AR-15s are the popular gun at the moment I personally don't think they are much more effective for the kinds of mass shootings we've seen than your typical semi-auto handguns. You can get pretty high capacity magazines for 9mm handguns, they are generally easier and faster to change magazines. They wouldn't work as well over medium to long distances, but most of these things aren't really happening beyond 50ft. Within 50ft I'd argue you'd be better off with 3-4 9mm same model handguns carrying 16rnds per magazine with a belt full of additional magazines.

But since these mass shootings are more about the show and the shock, 9mm handguns haven't been the weapon of choice. Stupid since they weigh a lot less, the ammo weighs a lot less, the magazines are smaller round-for-round, magazine changing is faster and easier (with moderate skill) and you're not shooting at "hard" targets so the 9mm +p is going to do everything in that situation that a .223/5.56mm would do.

But if it makes everyone happy, let's start by banning semi-autos with high capacity detachable magazines. Maybe it'll make a difference?
Maybe it will and maybe it won't.

Doing nothing certainly won't make a difference. We can be sure of that

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Why do you say that?
Internationally how can we be perceived as anything but an incredibly violent nation when there's compulsory firearm education for children?
How can we claim we're safe for international visitors when we are legislated to teach children about firearms?

How can parents feel about the safety and FUTURE of their children when the entire country is FORCED into firearm safety?

It's just a bad look all around.

And yet, the evidence is there, right?
 
Internationally how can we be perceived as anything but an incredibly violent nation when there's compulsory firearm education for children?
How can we claim we're safe for international visitors when we are legislated to teach children about firearms?

How can parents feel about the safety and FUTURE of their children when the entire country is FORCED into firearm safety?

It's just a bad look all around.

And yet, the evidence is there, right?

Overseas we just think you are so ****ing crazy.
You don’t sell beer to U21 but at 22 they walk around with automatic rifles...



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Overseas we just think you are so ****ing crazy.
You don’t sell beer to U21 but at 22 they walk around with automatic rifles...



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The truth is that our government is crazy and brainwashing the people here, making people believer we're so wonderful when the truth is that we are the evil empire. It's so ridiculous, all this patriotic gore; it makes me sick. But people swallow it and think we have an enemy under every rock, when it turns out our real enemies are our next door neighbors who think they need guns to protect themselves from poor, homeless immigrants who have no place else to go. People think I'm crazy because I tell them our government killed JFK and 9-11 was an inside job. Many people refuse to believe it, but it's in the history books, all the details, all the reasons why those events happened. Crazy that people who think that the WMD excuse to go into Iraq was a ruse can't connect it to 9-11. Just look at the damn video of the implosions. If you know anything about building skycrapers, you know that they couldn't have fallen like that if they were hit by planes. It drives me crazy that people are so ****ing dumb, not crazy, just stupid. And it's all about the almighty dollar, that's what is driving this country to its demise.
 
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