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Zombie said:
It's coming from the money we are currently paying for Healthcare, along with savings via better negotiating power with providers and lower administrative costs.

The US spends $3.5 Trillion dollars per year in Healthcare costs (and growing), most of that coming out of the pockets of our employers and ourselves.

Canada has waiting lists for some things it's true, it's not for things that are life threatening, like emergency surgery or cancer treatment, but for things like hip replacements, etc. I'd argue waiting is better than not being able to afford it at all. You'll notice they aren't exactly falling all over themselves to dismantle their current system and the let free market step in to "solve the problem."

Canada's population is also far less concentrated than our own, which leads to a lot of their problems.
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If your first two paragraphs were true why must we substantially raise taxes? Particularly the rich who will be paying 50+%?
 
JazzyFresh said:
If your first two paragraphs were true why must we substantially raise taxes? Particularly the rich who will be paying 50+%?
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The answer to the first question is obvious if you take a couple seconds to think about it.

As for the second, it's not necessarily the case that the richest among us must have their taxes increased substantially more than the rest of us to pay for this program. That is probably borne out of Sanders belief that our current tax system isn't progressive enough. But that's a separate issue.
 
JazzyFresh said:
It mathematically makes zero sense to me economically. When our government is already 16 trillion in debt, I'm suppose to believe that adding tens of trillions more to that is a great idea? Hell with my current wages I will be paying more and I will not be able to stick with the doctors when everything is government run. Look at the VA and the failure that has become.

Look at government run things like social security a majority of us will never see. These same people that stole and mismanaged our SS are going to suddenly run a legit healthcare plan? In what flipping universe? What happens when the government runs out of our money? What happens when the rich move away to save half their income? We become Venezuela or Cuba. Money doesn't just grow on trees

I'm all for better healthcare but when the ones selling it to us have to lie about it(if you like your plan, $0 births) I'm not buying it. Financially it just doesn't make sense and many experts even on the left agree. This is going to cost tens of trillions, all while the same person is screaming free college, and 30+ trillion environment spendings.

Taxing the rich will not pay for all this. Taxing you and me to oblivion still won't imo.
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You seem to just automatically assume the worst possible case scenario whenever anything other the status quo is presented.

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The Thriller said:
We pay about 19 percent of our GDP for health care.

The next closest country is Germany, at about 12 percent.

The UK and Canada are between 8-10 percent GDP.

If we want to cut costs then a single payer system where Medicare for all or the British National Healthcare System is a now brainer.

What some posters are doing is taking a page from what republicans did in 2010 when they attempted to scare low information voters about the long-term costs of the ACA. They claimed it would cost trillions of dollars. Which was true. But what they neglected to say was the cost of the status quo, which was trillions more than the ACA.

Will Medicare for all cost trillions? Absolutely. But it’ll save money in the long-term when compared to the trillions more we’re already spending with our dysfunctional “free market” system.
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Btw, for those interested:

https://www.statnews.com/2019/03/22/affordable-care-act-controls-costs/

Fast forward to December 2018, when that same office released the official tabulation of health care spending in 2017. The bottom line: cumulatively from 2010 to 2017 the ACA reduced health care spending a total of $2.3 trillion
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And:

The 4 main types of health care models.

Essentially:

1: Germany, Japan, and France have a free market system where insurance is still the primary provider, but they’re nonprofit and heavily regulated.

2: UK runs its health care system like public schools. Hospitals and doctors are public facilities and employees.

3: Canada maintains private hospitals and doctors, but they’re reimbursed by one health care plan, Medicare.

All systems have an optional add on insurance for gyms, vision, cosmetic surgery, anything extra that isn’t covered by the primary system.

4: Our dysfunctional system, which basically combines all 3 above, plus for profit insurance, and is impossible to regulate or keep costs down. It’s the worst delivery system in the world. But it does make big Pharm, insurance companies, and a handful of doctors filthy rich. They then use their wealth as “free speech” to kill any kind of health care reform in congress.

http://www.pnhp.org/single_payer_resources/health_care_systems_four_basic_models.php
 
JazzyFresh said:
If you're going to continue to be a childish ******* please just ignore me or leave me alone. I've been nothing but nice to you.

Thanks
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Just calling it how I see it. You always assume the worst about everything. The sky is always falling.
Lighten up.

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JazzyFresh said:
Lol it scary to think people don't understand basic ****. They truthfully think that getting treatment from a doctor, hospital, or having a kid is going to cost $0. They don't understand basic **** like the trillions annually that medicare alone may cost. They don't understand basic **** like we're already massively I'm debt. That things like social security will soon be gone.

It's flat out uneducated idiocy. I truly apologize for bring a jerk but it is.
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We're so lucky to have the only person in the US who truly understands...
 
gandalfe said:
We're so lucky to have the only person in the US who truly understands...
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It’s pretty sad when I know exactly who people are arguing with and what his lame *** arguments are even though he’s on ignore and I don’t read his posts. Lol

It’s the same crap every single day. Spreads disinformation using lame *** right wing talking points, refuses to read anyone’s arguments, and then plays the victim (and tries to bail out of the argument) once people begin to lose patience with his stupidity. Rinse, wash, repeat.
 
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