I disagree. I see people caught up in the minor all the time. It takes focus away from major issues. It’s being actively used as a defense. Throw so much **** that you overwhelm people.
The official "let's impeach Trump" thread
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I disagree. I see people caught up in the minor all the time. It takes focus away from major issues. It’s being actively used as a defense. Throw so much **** that you overwhelm people.
Red
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Good, and righteous, column by Eugene Robinson: "Trump is practically begging for impeachment. Give it to him, already".
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...264c50-de41-11e9-be96-6adb81821e90_story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...264c50-de41-11e9-be96-6adb81821e90_story.html
The Thriller
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Story’s changing today.
Today’s version is:
He did it cuz Europe wasn’t paying it’s fair share.
I’m sure the rubes will lap this right up. Live scene of them right now:
Getting Traded
Banned
I think it's about time I sneak in the White House and steal his underwear like I did to Kanter ...
Joe Bagadonuts
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I think the public deserves answers and explanations regarding what Trump actually did in the Ukrainian situation. So far all we really have are allegations from a whistle blower who we have now learned was not even a party to the phone call in question.
I also think the public deserves answers and explanations for why Joe Biden's son was receiving large payments (transfers to his company totaled over $3 million in 18 months) from a Ukrainian Oil Company during the time that Joe Biden was taking the lead on US/Ukrainian policy. It's quite troubling that the prosecutor that Joe Biden admits leveraging the Ukrainian government into firing by threatening to withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees was, at the time, investigating the very company that was paying his son all of this money. Seems like a conflict of interest to say the least.
I also think the public deserves answers and explanations for why Joe Biden's son was receiving large payments (transfers to his company totaled over $3 million in 18 months) from a Ukrainian Oil Company during the time that Joe Biden was taking the lead on US/Ukrainian policy. It's quite troubling that the prosecutor that Joe Biden admits leveraging the Ukrainian government into firing by threatening to withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees was, at the time, investigating the very company that was paying his son all of this money. Seems like a conflict of interest to say the least.
Zombie
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I feel like at this point it's worth pointing out that the investigation into the Ukrainian company Joe's son was on the board of was dormant at the time the prosecutor was fired, and also that the prosecutor was fired because he was corrupt- allowing those he investigated to pay him off to avoid prosecution.
It's not like Joe Biden was on an island pushing for this, he was part of a multinational effort to oust this guy for his unwillingness to fight corruption, not the opposite as Trump and company have alleged.
I do agree that it bears the appearance of a conflict of interest, but there's been no evidence of any wrong doing on either of the Biden's parts.
I realize the joke here is sorta "on me", even coming here to babble in the woods. Trees do have more brains than sold wonks of any brand, and better ears to hear. One thing about having cows to talk to when out in the fields is that they have such warm, knowing faces, and they do look at me when I talk to them.
Mark Levin made the more direct and more cogent point about all this on his show, that no democrat in the House of Representatives, and with but a few exceptions, no liberal news program has expressed any interest at all in investigating the Bidens, even when hammered with the fact that he bragged about what he did, and why, to the CFR. Of course, in the CFR meetings it's against the rule to record or even report what members say, so the CFR can and will "discipline" anyone breaking the rules or spreading tales from the coven.
So Mark believes the House dems will today vote to "Impeach" Trump, and that neither the Senate nor House committees, will investigate Biden. I will go further, and state that neirther will the FBI, the CIA, the IRS, the NDI, or the DOJ.
But I think Trump gets a boost in the polls from all this. Maybe enough to equal all the fraudulent votes the dems will harvest.
Our "Bigs", however, have always been practical sorts of debauched humans clutching for their power balls. Most of the time, they "own" candidates left or right enough to get they way done, and it just so happens that Trump gives them their way just enough. Some are willing to let a few things slide by to get the main things done. The main thing right now is China and the Belt and Road. So some are willing to back Trump if he will front for them on the China issues, which apparently he is doing.
I have my nose poked under enough tents I can sorta claim to be something of "a fly on the wall". A really dedicated bunch of dems on the intellectual brand who idolize FDR has been enjoying an open door to the Trump House for years. They have excellent rapport with Russia and China as well, and receive money I believe from people "over there". Until now they have been Trump supporters too, but I think they are disappointed now. According to them, Putin is a "Renaissance Man" with broad cultural interests and a western perspective, who speaks German fluently and loves poetry and Russian Orthodoxy..... and Xi is a "Man of the Future" who will push infrastructure projects and technology to bring mankind into a grand age of prosperity.
I sorta gag on the idea that Mao is Xi's grand idol, and David Rockefeller's as well when he was alive, and upon any notion that Putin is not committed to his power as much as any Western internationalist.
Hillary, Biden, Obama..... pretty much no better than Xi or Putin. Just as "marxist" in rhetorical measures, but practically just as intellectually fluid as any clinical sociopath who has ever run death camps.
I mean, simply, when lying doesn't even slow you down, you have no moral bearings whatsoever. For a sociopath of truly epic proportions, the only thing that can generate a second thought is the realization that you need to stick with the herd, still, for a a while longer, because you don't actually have the power yet. We can only hope, maybe pray, that enough Americans and recent entrants to America will sorta gag on voting for these third-world wonks in the hunt for the power grab of an America with no Constitutional fetters.
Because, I believe, Xi sees this as "His Hour" for jumping the Western Shark and running the world his way. Ya gotta know, the Chinese never really liked the Brits, or the US.
Finally, that dawning realization about Xi, has cred with even some of the globalist chiefs. And they are taking it seriously enough they will hold their nose and use Trump in this crisis. I can only cite the obvious public statements, and read between the lines of others whose affiliations I know. The fact that Brit "insiders" as well as anti-Brit agitators have taken their positions on Xi is my main support for the thing I believe is happening. JFC, of course, is a little band of diverse affiliations in some respects, but in the core Anglophile libs not really so different from Mark Levin except they are true believers in globalism. Even Mark Levin is a true believer in globalism, like most supporters of Israel's main political survival clique. Hannity is a globalist as well, though not so dedicated. He just accepts the milieu of our politics just enough to wanna go with the flow with the American practical worker sorts who patronize bars and gun clubs and martial arts studios and drive their big trucks.
A pure and vituous patriotic conservative who believes following the Constitution will solve our problems today would be the legendary "Fool on the Hill" with no chance. God be Praised Trump is not that.
Trump will keep us outta war for four more years.
The Thriller
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Regardless. It’s going to be uranium one 2.0. I’d be surprised if Hannity and the trumpers on this website don’t start spewing the airwaves with disinformation today.
Zombie
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They've been awfully quiet the last couple days, waiting for the new taking points I suppose.
I think our Pres needs to be able to keep his conversations with other heads of state private. few realize how important that is for dealing with diverse interests.
Nobody will talk straight with him if we don't protect his official contacts. Sure, the way it works is there is usually a gaggle of staffers and helpers "on line" with him, that is how a leak can even happen, but those folks need to be accountable to Trump.
We deserve to have a true count when we vote, and we deserve to have actual "news" about the world that is not just propaganda or public misinformation. We have brains, we can figure out well enough what is in our interest, and who is actually doing what is right.
I can only hope the Dump Trumpsters will continue to galvanize the American public to reject the efforts to generate mass hysteria on obvious lies.
Joe Bagadonuts
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I feel like it's important to point out that the prosecutor responded to a reporters questions about the case with the following:
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-h...ukrainian-nightmare-a-closed-probe-is-revived
Now maybe you are correct that the Shokin is corrupt and if that is the case we might not be able to trust his answers to anything, but even if you discount the situation with Shokin entirely, it still seems like a major concern that Hunter Biden was put onto the board of a Ukranian company after his father took the lead in US/Ukranian relations. Do you know anything about the work that Hunter did for this company? Hopefully he had some sort of expertise and produced some sort of results that will make it obvious that these payments weren't simply a way to funnel money to the Biden family in order to influence Joe's decisions. I'm interested in learning what Hunter actually did for this company. Apparently Hunter is unwilling to talk about it and his company that the payments were made to has been shut down. Meanwhile, Joe claims that he has never had any any conversations with his son about the work that he did for the Ukrainian company. Very odd. These are not facts that would lead me to conclude "there's been no evidence of any wrong doing on either of the Biden's parts." Why do you consider it okay for the Bidens to dodge questions about this?
There might be as many as two "Trumpers" in here who have any connection with a coordinated news source with "talking points". In any loose sense at all. There is no such source for talking points. But Zombie couldn't wipe his *** without being told how and when.
HIllary Clinton used this issue in 2016 against Biden on the 2016 Dem primary trail.....like she use the Birther issue against Obama on the campaign trail in 2008.
The denial schtick has been out there for a long time. Biden's claim that the issue is an old one that has been proven false has that basis.
But the fact is....... Joe is corrupt....... and his son is the bagman with the loot.
The money in the bags is the whole issue. Joe Biden is just so arrogant he believed he could brag about it with impunity, and no amount of "explaining" will work now.
Biden is cooked.
Zombie
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Go ahead and show me where I said this.
Anyway, it sounds like you are fairly ignorant of Ukraine's recent history, and that of Shokin in particular. This article is a good primer.
https://www.rferl.org/a/why-was-ukraine-top-prosecutor-fired-viktor-shokin/30181445.html
Zombie
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Eat my *** boomer.