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The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

Cool. I don't think anyone thinks otherwise.

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Cool. I don't think anyone thinks otherwise.

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No biggie that potus is surrounded by criminals. I guess. You’d be wetting your diapers if Obama did 1% of what trump has done.
It was in response to this. And no I didn't lose my ****. As I said corruption at the highest level isn't anything new. What confuses me is why it only matters on the party affiliation to most. Obama spying on Trump is no better or worse than Trump asking Ukraine to investigate Hunter. Bush in my eyes is one of the biggest war criminals in recent history.

Again people are picking and choosing. As I said last night, if we want to drain the swamp, let's drain it. But I'll never get behind doing it to gain a political edge. The swamp is alive and well on both sides. I bet if we looked hard enough we could impeach most, if not all, higher positions in our government.
 
Why would a random American believe Russian or Chinese "facts"?
I know that in general Russia and China have plenty of resources to fabricate any evidence a la Fishonjazz caused the disappearance of the flight MH370 :), but are there really that huge amount of Americans who believe propaganda or fake evidence created by China or Russia and cannot distinguish whether some situation is true or not? Yes, when i was 10 year old, then i also believed that Soviet troops did not do anything bad in my country (according to history books at school - of course, my parents kept low profile to not have any troubles at work - basically every company at Soviet union had at least one KGB member), but now in modern times those who have graduated at least high school should not require that much of studying to verify whether some situation is true or not.
If the opponents are all good i.e have not done anything illegal, why they just do not shout - "hey, corners and diagonals are already covered in BS Bingo style" and just laugh and concentrating their skills to find (like in chess) not a good but even better move to win the elections?
No idea what this post means.
Trump has tried to get other countries to provide dirt on his competition. That's my post.
Do you have something to respond to that about?

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No, it's a little different. Where AOC was not prepared for a debate where her challengers were, she knew there wasn't a fair playing field. @JazzyFresh on the other hand, has been at it for days now, and should be very well prepared that this point. And he's trying his damndest to push the spotlight any other way than A politicized deviation of funds leveraged to gain dirt on a political rival.

He won't accept that there are many spotlights. And foreign interests getting involved in our democratic process is simply the brightest. People pick the low hanging fruit because it's low hanging. And if it tastes just as sweet as the fruit at the top, why bother? There will be others to get that.

Instead, he pusses out, and pretends he doesn't know what my question is, even though I ended four different posts asking the same damn thing. "What would it take for you to consider an investigation is needed?" We only got vague, half-assed answers out of him.

Little does he even consider evidence found in an impeachment investigation may warrant Biden's arrest. But he's too busy crying, bitching, and moaning to think it through.

Reminds me a lot of you, actually. Just slightly less annoying, and a little bit more thoughtful
 
As I said angry angry

That's cool though, you're ok in my eyes. I don't think anything negative about you or any of you. I honest to God have no clue what you're asking but at this point your complete lack of respect makes me not care. We all have a difference of opinion and sometimes we get fired up but I don't see any of you as cowards and i know I have overstepped myself so I apologize and take responsibility(fishon). I'm a better human and far more mature than calling someone I don't know a coward or dumb because of anger issues. It doesn't get me off like it does some of you. Bullyism is terrible, very Trump like.

Have a good day and go Jazz wooooo!!!

Awh, still running away. Cute.
 
It was in response to this. And no I didn't lose my ****. As I said corruption at the highest level isn't anything new. What confuses me is why it only matters on the party affiliation to most. Obama spying on Trump is no better or worse than Trump asking Ukraine to investigate Hunter. Bush in my eyes is one of the biggest war criminals in recent history.

Again people are picking and choosing. As I said last night, if we want to drain the swamp, let's drain it. But I'll never get behind doing it to gain a political edge. The swamp is alive and well on both sides. I bet if we looked hard enough we could impeach most, if not all, higher positions in our government.
The difference between whatever Obama did and whatever Trump did is that what did (or is accused of doing) is impeachable and the government that we elected have decided to start an impeachment inquiry.

So that's where we are. Maybe you don't think presidents should be able to be impeached because they are all crooked. Idk.
Fact is that Trump has an impeachment inquiry going on. Obama didn't. Obama is in the past. What is happening with Trump is in the present and it's being discussed.

It's big time news. It's being discussed like crazy all over the place by conservatives and liberals and everyone else.

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Brah, you ever been in a relationship?

Smoke a doobie, dude.

Sounds like you. Run away from your problems, rely on some figurehead as vaguely supports your opinion, smoke a joint, and wake up in the morning.

I am glad you've found something to cool your jets though.
 
We voted to impeach him yet?

Didn't think so. All this "damning" evidence but no backbone.

Are you even vaguely aware of the process here? You gather evidence to support a case. We're not at the level of impeachment, just the inquiry.
 
Sounds like you. Run away from your problems, rely on some figurehead as vaguely supports your opinion, smoke a joint, and wake up in the morning.

I am glad you've found something to cool your jets though.

On a scale of 1 to 10, quantify how angry you are. Ready? Go.


Dude, we want the serious level at like a 3, at best, and you're at like a verbal coward slinging 10.


I do wonder if you've ever been in a relationship now though since you clearly missed the joke.

Run away, it's never worth it to discuss feelings and issues. Run, run, far away and never come back.
 
On a scale of 1 to 10, quantify how angry you are. Ready? Go.


Dude, we want the serious level at like a 3, at best, and you're at like a verbal coward slinging 10.


I do wonder if you've ever been in a relationship now though since you clearly missed the joke.

Run away, it's never worth it to discuss feelings and issues. Run, run, far away and never come back.

That's no way to talk to a guy that's happy for you.
 
Are you even vaguely aware of the process here? You gather evidence to support a case. We're not at the level of impeachment, just the inquiry.
The House acts by voting. It has never voted to conduct an inquiry into whether President Trump should be impeached. Consequently, there is no House impeachment inquiry. There is a partisan exhibition of synchronized dyspepsia.

Under federal law, the offense of obstructing Congress applies when “any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House.” Again, neither the House nor any of its committees has voted to conduct an impeachment inquiry. There is no formal impeachment proceeding to obstruct.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.na...e-must-vote-or-its-just-democratic-stunt/amp/
 
The House acts by voting. It has never voted to conduct an inquiry into whether President Trump should be impeached. Consequently, there is no House impeachment inquiry. There is a partisan exhibition of synchronized dyspepsia.

Under federal law, the offense of obstructing Congress applies when “any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House.” Again, neither the House nor any of its committees has voted to conduct an impeachment inquiry. There is no formal impeachment proceeding to obstruct.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.na...e-must-vote-or-its-just-democratic-stunt/amp/
Not totally partisan though since there are Republicans who support the inquiry

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The House acts by voting. It has never voted to conduct an inquiry into whether President Trump should be impeached. Consequently, there is no House impeachment inquiry. There is a partisan exhibition of synchronized dyspepsia.

Under federal law, the offense of obstructing Congress applies when “any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House.” Again, neither the House nor any of its committees has voted to conduct an impeachment inquiry. There is no formal impeachment proceeding to obstruct.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.na...e-must-vote-or-its-just-democratic-stunt/amp/

Procedure:

At the federal level, the impeachment process is a three-step procedure.

  • First, the Congress investigates. This investigation typically begins in the House Judiciary Committee, but may begin elsewhere. For example, the Nixon impeachment inquiry began in the Senate Judiciary Committee. The facts that led to impeachment of Bill Clinton were first discovered in the course of an investigation by Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr.
  • Second, the House of Representatives must pass, by a simple majority of those present and voting, articles of impeachment, which constitute the formal allegation or allegations. Upon passage, the defendant has been "impeached".
  • Third, the Senate tries the accused. In the case of the impeachment of a president, the Chief Justice of the United States presides over the proceedings. For the impeachment of any other official, the Constitution is silent on who shall preside, suggesting that this role falls to the Senate's usual presiding officer, the President of the Senate who is also the Vice President of the United States. Conviction in the Senate requires a two-thirds supermajority vote. The result of conviction is removal from office.
Rules[edit]
A number of rules have been adopted by the House and Senate, and are honored by tradition.

Jefferson's Manual, which is integral to the Rules of the House of Representatives,[16] states that impeachment is set in motion by charges made on the floor, charges proferred by a memorial, a member's resolution referred to a committee, a message from the president, or from facts developed and reported by an investigating committee of the House. It further states that a proposition to impeach is a question of high privilege in the House and at once supersedes business otherwise in order under the rules governing the order of business.

The House Practice: A Guide to the Rules, Precedents and Procedures of the House[17] is a reference source for information on the rules and selected precedents governing the House procedure, prepared by the House Parliamentarian. The manual has a chapter on the House's rules, procedures, and precedent for impeachment.

In 1974, as part of the preliminary investigation in the Nixon impeachment inquiry, the staff of the Impeachment Inquiry of the House Judiciary Committee prepared a report, Constitutional Grounds for Presidential Impeachment.[6] The primary focus of the Report is the definition of the term "high Crimes and Misdemeanors" and the relationship to criminality, which the Report traces through history from English roots, through the debates at the 1787 Constitutional Convention, and the history of the impeachments before 1974.

The 1974 report has been expanded and revised on several occasions by the Congressional Research Service, and the current version Impeachment and Removal dates from October 2015.[1] While this document is only staff recommendation, as a practical matter, today it is probably the single most influential definition of "high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

The Senate has formal Rules and Procedures of Practice in the Senate When Sitting on Impeachment Trials.[18]

Calls for impeachment, and Congressional power to investigate[edit]
See also: Impeachment investigations of United States federal officials
While the actual impeachment of a federal public official is a rare event, demands for impeachment, especially of presidents, are common,[19] going back to the administration of George Washington in the mid-1790s.

While almost all of them were for the most part frivolous and were buried as soon as they were introduced, several did have their intended effect. Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon[20] and Supreme Court Justice Abe Fortas both resigned in response to the threat of impeachment hearings, and, most famously, President Richard Nixon resigned from office after the House Judiciary Committee had already reported articles of impeachment to the floor.

In advance of the formal resolution by the full House, the relevant committee may investigate, subpoena witnesses, and prepare a preliminary report of findings. For example:

Targets of congressional investigations have challenged the power of Congress to investigate before a formal resolution commences impeachment proceedings. For example, President Buchanan wrote to the committee investigating his administration:

I do, therefore, ... solemnly protest against these proceedings of the House of Representatives, because they are in violation of the rights of the coordinate executive branch of the Government, and subversive of its constitutional independence; because they are calculated to foster a band of interested parasites and informers, ever ready, for their own advantage, to swear before ex parte committees to pretended private conversations between the President and themselves, incapable, from their nature, of being disproved; thus furnishing material for harassing him, degrading him in the eyes of the country ...[22]

He maintained that the House of Representatives possessed no general powers to investigate him, except when sitting as an impeaching body.

When the Supreme Court has considered similar issues, it held that the power to secure "needed information ... has long been treated as an attribute of the power to legislate. ... [The power to investigate is deeply rooted in the nation's history:] It was so regarded in the British Parliament and in the colonial Legislatures before the American Revolution, and a like view has prevailed and been carried into effect in both houses of Congress and in most of the state Legislatures." McGrain v. Daugherty, 273 U.S. 135, 161 (1927). The Supreme Court also held, "There can be no doubt as to the power of Congress, by itself or through its committees, to investigate matters and conditions relating to contemplated legislation." Quinn v. United States, 349 U.S. 155, 160 (1955).

The Supreme Court has also explained that Congress has not only the power, but the duty, to investigate so it can inform the public of the operations of government:

It is the proper duty of a representative body to look diligently into every affair of government and to talk much about what it sees. It is meant to be the eyes and the voice, and to embody the wisdom and will of its constituents. Unless Congress have and use every means of acquainting itself with the acts and the disposition of the administrative agents of the government, the country must be helpless to learn how it is being served; and unless Congress both scrutinize these things and sift them by every form of discussion, the country must remain in embarrassing, crippling ignorance of the very affairs which it is most important that it should understand and direct. The informing function of Congress should be preferred even to its legislative function.[23]

No confusion here. Congress does have the power to investigate contemplated legislation, which would include an impeachment inquiry. A vote must pass for a president to be impeached, but a vote is not necessary to start an impeachment inquiry.

Read that, and tell me what you think about your previous assertion that a vote must pass to begin investigation
 
Procedure:



No confusion here. Congress does have the power to investigate contemplated legislation, which would include an impeachment inquiry. A vote must pass for a president to be impeached, but a vote is not necessary to start an impeachment inquiry.

Read that, and tell me what you think about your previous assertion that a vote must pass to begin investigation
Really good post.
I hope jazzy is learning things about the process of impeachment by his participation in this thread.
I am

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You mean like use his Defensive Department to literally spy on a soon to be president?

Have his FBI have a "backup plan" if Trump was elected?

Target conservative groups through the IRS?

Run guns to Cartels in Mexico that killed Americans?

Claim that Benghazi was over a video tape when records/intel show that Americans were in imminent danger months before?

Imagine yourself how angry you'd all be if Trump did any of these, especially spy on Biden.



No I wouldn't. As I said last night Trump's not the first president to abuse his power. I didn't cry when I felt Obama did it, I'm not crying now.
You often speak very inaccurately.

The Defense Department?

Try again.
 


Lol this is a hilariously poor attempt to find a patsy. Even if Perry did urge Trump to make the call, unless he had his arm shoved up Trump's *** and was working his mouth during the call, I don't think it's particularly plausible that he forced Trump to ask Zelenskyy to investigate Joe Biden and his son.
 
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