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My recollection was that Schiff et al were salivating over the things Sondland initially said. They considered him to be a very cooperative, supportive witness. Your claim is that he was somehow trying to protect the president in that earlier testimony and now he's become convinced to tell the truth? I admit that I am not hanging on every word of this process like some people around here seem to be, but the claim that he suddenly remembered such a central meeting in this entire thing strikes me as incredibly odd.
To be fair no one said he suddenly remembered anything. They said he saw other folks testimony under oath that contradicted his testimony and so he decided to he better tell the truth or risk being convicted of purgery. At least that's how understood the posts I read.

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To be fair no one said he suddenly remembered anything. They said he saw other folks testimony under oath that contradicted his testimony and so he decided to he better tell the truth or risk being convicted of purgery. At least that's how understood the posts I read.

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Seems to me that you're relying on the opinions of those who want to massage the facts into appearing the way they want them to, rather than the actual facts. The truth is that Sondland said he now recalls an event that apparently slipped his mind when he testified before congress. If that is not suddenly remembering something, I don't know what is.
 
Seems to me that you're relying on the opinions of those who want to massage the facts into appearing the way they want them to, rather than the actual facts. The truth is that Sondland said he now recalls an event that apparently slipped his mind when he testified before congress. If that is not suddenly remembering something, I don't know what is.
It's funny how other's testimonies are "opinions" but Sondland suddenly remembering something is a "fact".

You're trying really hard to polish a turd here, but I'm sorry to say all you've done is get **** all over your hands.
 
As expected, @Red is not helping your story, @babe. Neither is the state of California. Or CNN. Or Heritage.org. Remarkably, I'm still willing to entertain the notion that 6 million fake votes were cast, or will be cast in the next election.

Unless we want to talk voter suppression? No?

My previous effort of estimating possible voter fraud, in LA county alone, gave me the notion that 0.3M fraudulent votes were likely. I have looked at some of the counties around SF as well. My 6M estimate is nationwide.

I have some further information now, thanks to Judicial Watch, from CA only.

I heard on the regular news, Obama openly suggesting that "everyone" should vote, in a context of whether legal or not. This is consistent with ideological beliefs of Open Borders and world citizenship. I haven't heard them, however, suggesting we should send boatloads of folks to China to vote or whatnot. Or any complaint about the Chinese voting procedures.

Until I see you all get on that bus and start preaching voter suppression worldwide, and some sort of consistent voting system worldwide, I'm calling BS on all of you believers in selective concepts determined by local political advantages for your cause.

As I said above, I will be compiling some information about what practices and systematic frauds are going on. R or D.
 
Funny how criminals suddenly remember stuff better when others have corroborated to the crime that they lied about committing.

Or is it he got leaned on to fix his story. At any rate, what we are getting is selective material compiled by a known partisan, and proven liar.And, sorry, even if true, he would, our foreign aid is all quid for national quo, hopefully. The Ukraine had been offering the US the information gratis. This is documented, but Liar Schiff and your lying Media won't publish that.

Trump was being nice, "encouraging" or "thanking" for what had already been delivered, as well as welcoming more documentation as it could be available. This is all within his Constitutional sworn oath of office, to enforce and uphold the laws of the US.

I've never seen so many smart people willing to be so enthusiastic about being so stupid.
 
Cause have you seen or listened to Trump?

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You think Trump is a dork, so therefore any dorky accusation that someone throws at Trump or a Trump associate is deemed as true by you. No evidence necessary.
It's funny how other's testimonies are "opinions" but Sondland suddenly remembering something is a "fact".

You're trying really hard to polish a turd here, but I'm sorry to say all you've done is get **** all over your hands.
I don't think you understood what I said. I wasn't calling the other testimonies "opinions." Fish relies on posts as his news source and said so (as he often does) in the post I responded to. I was calling the opinions of the posters he was referring to "opinions."

And exactly how do you think it downplayed Sondland's testomony to purport that the new thing he suddenly remembered is a "fact"? (Not that I said it was a fact. For some unknown reason you said that I said it was a fact.)
 
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Seems to me that you're relying on the opinions of those who want to massage the facts into appearing the way they want them to, rather than the actual facts. The truth is that Sondland said he now recalls an event that apparently slipped his mind when he testified before congress. If that is not suddenly remembering something, I don't know what is.
You said "your claim" to Colton who never claimed any such thing. I simply posted that to be fair no one (jazzfanzers) ever claimed any such thing.

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You think Trump is a dork, so therefore any dorky accusation that someone throws at Trump or a Trump associate is deemed as true by you. No evidence necessary.

Oh you think I said it's true. Well that's where you are wrong.
I said that people might believe something like that COULD be true cause of the way Trump acts. You make your bed etc etc.

Like if someone said that Hayward was acting aloof with his teammates in Boston I wouldnt automatically call him guilty but I would definitely think there was a chance that there was some truth to the accusation.


Fwiw this was how Rubashov responded to you: Cause its wholly consistent with his actions, character and the overall ineptitude of his administration.

Weird that you don't think a person's actions and character might cause people to think there could be some truth to an accusation that is right in line with the accused's character and actions.
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The truth is that Sondland said he now recalls an event that apparently slipped his mind when he testified before congress. If that is not suddenly remembering something, I don't know what is.

I think he was lying when he said he "now remembers"....



 
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I'm not sure to what you are referring, but lately I have been in less of a mood to argue with people that will not change their minds based on evidence.

I gave you some information on LA County voters and a court order obtained by Judicial Watch requiring LA County to update their voter registration rolls and remove registrants who no longer live there.

A significant number of "jacked-up numbers" in registration, and an voter turnout bragged to be a record turnout, but 40% or so of the registered voters no longer living there. Well, who knows.... maybe those all all the displaced American citizens who now live in the LA River channel or on the sidewalks and parks in cardboard boxes, American workers displaced by illegal immigrants from China, Viet Nam, the Philippines, Mexico, Honduras, etc. etc who may also live in camps in the woods while working for wages not reported to the government in any way, or selling sex and drugs. Who the Hell can know all that. Probably a container ship worth of steel boxes unloaded every day full of Asians. Who knows how many who start out make it across the ocean in boxes that probably make the *****olds of slaveships looks and smell tolerable.

You don't give a **** about human beings, or facts. What the figures in LA indicate, which I posted in response to you, requires about a 120% actual citizen voter turnout in LA County current residents, 75% of whom must have voted Hillary. I figure that's about 0.3 M fake voters for the corrupt dems.

just quit with the bs on facts, or pay attention and respond.

Sonnie Johnson and some other blacks I've heard discuss Ferguson riots complain that most of the rioters there were white, non-resident. And several blacks who were the real qualified dissidents just turned up dead in the back seats of cars. Read a little Sonnie and tell me what you think.
 
Yet you can't provide any?

I tell you what. Let's just discuss baselines.

How do you determine what is/isn't a legitimate vote?

I intend to divert this topic to a separate thread. Be patient. Maybe next week. I won't forget.
 
I gave you some information on LA County voters and a court order obtained by Judicial Watch requiring LA County to update their voter registration rolls and remove registrants who no longer live there.

I'm not Harambe. However, since you dragged me into this, let's look at it.

A significant number of "jacked-up numbers" in registration, and an voter turnout bragged to be a record turnout, but 40% or so of the registered voters no longer living there.

32% of registrations (1.69 million out of 5.31) are being sent letters to verify if they are still living there. Assuming even as man as 90% are not responded to, that still under 30% that will be removed.

You don't give a **** about human beings, or facts. What the figures in LA indicate, which I posted in response to you, requires about a 120% actual citizen voter turnout in LA County current residents, 75% of whom must have voted Hillary. I figure that's about 0.3 M fake voters for the corrupt dems.

http://www.laalmanac.com/election/el02.php

LA County had 57% turnout in 2016, not 75%. Higher than 2012, lower than 2008, and not too different from national averages. Even if every single on of the 1.69 million registrations should no longer be valid, that still puts the LA county turn out at well below 100%

just quit with the bs on facts, or pay attention and respond.

Wish granted. You were wrong. No one is surprised.

Sonnie Johnson and some other blacks I've heard discuss Ferguson riots complain that most of the rioters there were white, non-resident.

Many were not residents of Ferguson, and some not even residents of St. Louis County/City. From the pictures I saw, well over 80% were black.

And several blacks who were the real qualified dissidents just turned up dead in the back seats of cars. Read a little Sonnie and tell me what you think.

https://www.breitbart.com/blog/2014/08/11/Riots-in-Missouri/

Black America’s favorite past time is back on full display in Ferguson, MO, as looting and rioting breaks out after the fatal shooting death of an unarmed 18-year old by Ferguson law enforcement.

I think she's either a a racist, ignorant blowhard, or is deliberating getting some wingnut welfare, just based on that one sentence. Reading further, and a couple of other articles, didn't do much to change that opinion.

However, I have gone over the publicly available information in California, where there was a boast from the State officials about an amazing voter turnout notably in LA and SF something like 75% of registered voters.....

57% in LA, 80% in SF (since SF is much wealthier than LA, this is not a surprise, and again lower than it was in 2008).

and I have gone over the case filed by Judicial Watch, ... there was about a 120% voter turnout in LA county.

Perhaps next time you could go over the case with a person who knows how to add and subtract.

I wouldn't be too sure Rs don't or wouldn't do stuff like that either.

I agree both sides engage in vote tally corruption.
 
Cancel culture run amok.
Ugh so tired of leftist liberals stopping free speech at colleges.

Way to selectively cherry pick one instance where it's not happening. Why dont you two take a break from fantasy and join the real world where censorship is happening all over. Just because you found one time where it's not doesnt mean you just made a point. No one has ever said its everywhere all the time. It can be happening 60% of the time and still be a huge deal.

Also, its Alabama. Cmon. Really? That's your big proof? Why don't you post another instance just like this one from a school in California?

Screeeeech . RUSSIA!!
 
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